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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Ted, 40 years is from a sappling to the size of a sap bucket. The big road size trees are 150 to 200 year old. The small taps we use now (5/16 inch dia) usually allow the tap hole to heal in a little over a year or so. Most folks dont re-tap after initial holes are drilled. Regards, Chris
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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Sap running good these last couple days?
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18943 |
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I remember WAY back when I learned how they made tires,,,,,,,,and always have wondered WHY do you pay EXTRA for white walls??? That's the way they come.....
FORTY YEARS old???? WOW!! I suppose those are the oldest and the biggest. I've never thought of tapping the one outside my Mother's back door.... hmmmm I've heard of guys that put 4 or 5 taps in the same tree. Is it because of the healing over and they put another tap in to freshen it? |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Dave,
That was a snowy day! Not sure about the fluid, but I think it does have them loaded. The 45 plows snow good! May get another sap run this weekend? But since the taps have been set for six weeks that may be the end of our season. The tree starts to heal over inside the hole and stops the flow of sap. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3072 |
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The pictures are a little different. Your sap rig is in the background! That last picture looks pretty miserable.
Does the 45 have fluid in the tires? I bet it does pretty good with those chains on. I think your sap collection sounds like a good plan. Driving in the truck does sound better that carrying a couple hundred gallons of sap through the woods in pails.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Ranse,
Get up here and fish! A good small hotel that caters to fisherman is the Green Roof Inn in Platea PA. Address may be Girard PA. (I think thats the name of the place?) Google it! We can talk tractors. Friend also has a boat he takes on Pymatuning reservoir too. Mid April he will put it in the water. I don't have many other surprises.:) Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Ranse ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 775 |
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You are a man of many surprises Surgarmaker. You are right, the rubber is white when we get it. The company showed us a video about it one time. Like everything else the company shows us, I didn't pay to much attention. I do remember some South American dude walking thru the jungle with a long pole across his shoulders with a bucket on each end. It's hard to believe all the tons of that stuff we use could be harvested in such a primitive manner.
Stream fishing is fine, but I was more interested in the big water. I worked with some guys about 10 or 15 years ago. They went on a charter trip on Lake Erie and had some awesome looking walleye pictures. I've had the bug ever since, but I don't fish much anymore either. |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Ranse, I worked in the rubber industry for 40 years. Mostly behind a desk but did learn a few things too. Yes rubber trees are in hot to tropical climates around the world. Natural rubber is still very good product! They scribe the outer bark of the rubber tree and the white sap flows into a cup. They gather that daily. Slow process I think. Rubber trees take about 7 years to develop enough to be tapable. (a maple tree takes at least 40 years). We do get summer once a year for a few minutes and the fishing is very good in streams within 10 miles of home. (I dont fish much, should fish more) Regards, Chris
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Ranse ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Location: Tennessee Points: 775 |
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Wow Sugarmaker, does it not ever stop snowing up there lol? If I ever go to Pennsylvania it will be in summer for sure. I've been wanting to do some walleye fishing on Erie for years. I've enjoy reading about your craft and learning a little. I don't think anyone makes maple syrup this far south to my knowledge. I know a few guys that make molasses, of course that doesn't come from trees. Believe it or not Bridgestone still uses a lot of natural rubber (about 50%). I wouldn't have thought that until I started working there. I think most of the rubber tree plantations are in South America. Of course I don't know anything about it, but I'd say gathering that sap would be similar to what you do. Although, they may cut grooves in the bark.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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For sure! Dave, most maple folks in their right mind don't run all over for sap like I do. Most try to have a single or several locations with most of their trees. My approach is to rent groups of roadside hard maples that produce high sugar content sap and high volumes of sap too. Also I don't have to get off the road and get into the muddy conditions in a wood lot. Its just the way I started making syrup and works for us. It does take me at least 2 hours to make a gathering run if I don't have to come back and unload. We are shut down from cold weather: (time to get a Allis picture in here to keep it all legal:)) I know it looks a lot like the pictures from late Dec 2017. ![]() ![]() Even setting out in these conditions The WD45 fired up first try! Could be a keeper! ![]() Regards, Chris
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3072 |
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I didn't realize you went that far! I thought you just had some woods and trees nearby. Don't know why I thought that.
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tadams(OH) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 10957 |
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And the pickup is a lot warmer, has a heater
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Dave, That might work but the front of the tractor might be a little lite. at around 2500 lb when full it would be a load! Also I travel about 30 miles to gather at about 30 locations so it would not be as comfy!:) Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3072 |
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WOW that is a lot of sap.
One thing though... I think that tank would look better on a carryall behind one of your WD's
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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We use 5/16 I.D plastic tubing made for the syrup industry. String it from tree to tree, tight and down hill. Several 24 inch vertical drop lines tie in at each tree. A plastic spout on the end of the drop line is tapped into a 5/16 dia hole drilled into the tree. Sap flows to a container and then we gather and pump it into a tank on the truck. ![]() We have gathered approx 4,000 gallons of sap this year. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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farmboy520 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2016 Location: Beason, IL Points: 553 |
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Chris, how do you collect all of your sap?
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Dave,
Thanks! Steve, I have been helping or making syrup for about 50 years. Still learning every new season. Maple cream process is a little easier now using a gear pump machine. We may get a sap run tomorrow. Will have 200 + folks visiting on the 17 and 18th. Should have a tractor show for them too!:) Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3072 |
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I got some of Chris's maple goodie's once. It's good stuff.
It looks like you've got some good help there.
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1817 |
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Maple cream? I had to look that one up. It looks very tasty, but VERY HARD to make. That constant stirring looks hard. How long you been do this Chris?
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Ted, No problem on the questions! Granulated maple sugar looks similar to brown sugar. Made by heating the syrup to 260 deg F and then stirring it. The Hobart takes the work out of that. I made 2.5 gallons of syrup into sugar. That made 55 jars 4.5 oz each. Made a small batch of maple cream and two batches of Maple Mustard today. Sorry that first picture of the evaporator does not have the Allis milk can in it, that's the large Massey can. Regards, Chris
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18943 |
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OK Chris, now I have another question!! You getting sick of questions yet?
OK, another question,,,,,,,,,,,, HOW do you make Maple granulated sugar? Never heard of it. It sounds like it would be GREAT for making a rub for smoked meat..... |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Hi, Usually a freeze will stop the flow. Sometimes it will flow at 30 F if the sun is on the trees and no wind. This picture is legal here because of the AC milk can in the lower right corner!:) ![]() Making granulated maple sugar in the Hobart: ![]() Wood fire at the end of a boil: ![]() Gathering sap with the granddaughters: ![]() Off to make some maple mustard. I miss my AC tractors being here!:( Regards, Chris Edited by Sugarmaker - 05 Mar 2018 at 11:10am |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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How cold does it get for the sap to stop running? We had ice on the mud the last couple mornings.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Jim, Ted, Dave Folks,
Well the weather has been colder and not much sap. Gathered 140 gallons of 2% sap and made 3 gallons of suryp last night. So between 40 and 50 gallons of sap to make a gallon. Really depends on the sugar content. We can boil at a rate of about 120 to 130 gallons of sap per hour. Or about 3 gallons of finished syrup per hour. I will have to post a couple pictures. Regards, Chris
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3072 |
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It's pretty gratifying when these old tractors finally do their job like they're supposed to isn't it?
Good luck on all that syrup. You got your work cutout for you keeping that fire going! Edited by Allis dave - 04 Mar 2018 at 7:54am |
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18943 |
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Chris, how many gallons of sap does it take to make one gallon of syrup?
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Jim Hancock ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: EL Reno, Ok. Points: 1112 |
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From the looks of the forecast, last night was just a warmup of what's coming into your area these next few days!
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How blessed we are by HIS GRACE!
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Folks,
Well we had a snow storm last night that dumped 10 inches of very wet snow on our area. I called the daughter and she said she did not attempt to drive through the 2 feet of plowed snow at the end of her drive. I got there around noon and fired up the WD45. Started on first pull, and all systems worked as they should. Temp never came up to 120 deg F on gauge. Hydraulics functioned very well and the tractor ran good. When I shifted into third once I thought it had come out of gear in the shifting forks. But no it was just loose. I gently shifted back into second and finished using just reverse and 2nd gear. Was able to shift back and forth with just the hand clutch. Was going to take a picture but it would have looked like all the others above!:) Hope things are good in Orange land! Have been busy making maple syrup. At 73 gallons, and the weather looks real good for a couple more weeks. Regards, Chris |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Steve,
Didnt see your new thread started. Let us know how we can help. Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8534 |
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Steve, Good we didnt loose you! Crestron has helped guide you to the start of a new thread. ( I will look for it too). My guess is that the dip stick you have found is actually for the hydraulics. These tractors have several chambers Hydraulic, transmission and rear end, and several types of fluids, and several drain ports under the tractor too. I have had them all open and drained, filled all and used to remember all that stuff but the old brain is so cluttered I dont try to remember it all. I usually Call Don(MO) to remind me!:) With that said, a good manual may help, Although I havent looked at one lately, and I know the guys on here will help too. The final drives have a small pipe plug on the inside of the low pan. Remove that plug and probe to see the fluid level. I think it takes 1.5 qt of 90 wt gear lube in each side. You will have to drop the pans to change it probably. Usually messy and yucky, as it is the last place folks look to do maintenance on these tractors. My post jan 15 2018 with pictures of the back of the tractor show the top link bracket around the rock shaft. And below that how I stabilized it from moving side to side. Regards, Chris Edited by Sugarmaker - 12 Feb 2018 at 4:06pm |
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