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plowboy8550 
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 9:01am |
My 720 has a bad carb and the cyl walls are scared so I need to repair or replace.. Small engine werehouse has a 23 hp briggs for 1800 but id rather have a little bigger engine and if possible a diesel. What have you guys seen or done?? Any ideas?
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Tracy Martin TN
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 9:37am |
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What model was the Honda engine people repowered with?That is what I want. Tracy Martin
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:21pm |
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I have both a 620 and 720 I want to repower, would like the honda although I have been told by the small engine people locally the Vangaurd engine is actually better and have had less problems with them than the honda, and as I understand it is either a copy or it is built in Japan, have thought about the diesel option but after looking and driving some small diesel lawn tractors, I am not going to pursue it they shake to much, are noisy and small diesels do not perform like there gas counterparts. So it looks like its going to be the Vanguard for me would be neat to do a honda and a vanguard just to see which one is better.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:33pm |
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the small diesel in my AC 920 is powerful!
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:39pm |
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how many cylinders? shake? noise? make? I am still curious about the diesel but like I said the ones I have seen dont turn my crank ......yet.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:46pm |
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KC...it's a "lambordini" engine, came from the factory that way. and i'd hafta look as to how many cyl's, i can't remember right now. either 2 or 3 i think! i'll let ya know!l. and parts are readily available on this engine! even in omaha,ne!
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:46pm |
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look on eBay, there is often a Honda Repower kit available for the 620/720 engines.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:48pm |
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sorry..i hit the button before answering the rest of your ??'s...has a shake upon startup, then smoothes out, is very quiet ( has a short muffler) , my wife drives it, she loves it!
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:48pm |
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air cooled water cooled I heard if you put the diesel water cooled in you have to put them in with the radiator in back is that how your is?
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:49pm |
Or here is a vanguard option
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:49pm |
I used the V Honda to replace the K341 Kohler 16 HP in my New Holland S16.
Same engine in Honda is rated from 18 to 27 HP , so unsure of what they change in it to up the HP. Might get some ideas from this link
Another link to 720 repower
Edited by Coke-in-MN - 04 Sep 2011 at 12:53pm
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:50pm |
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If I recall correctly, Lombardini is connected to Kohler. They use those diesels on walk behind tractors and they seem to be good little engines. The walk behind engines are air cooled. I don't know about the larger ones.
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SHAMELESS
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:52pm |
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mines air cooled, i have seen ones with radiators hanging on back, i wouldn't think that would be a good thing! i have also seen kabota liquid cooled engines on AC garden tractors!
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:53pm |
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yeah..wjohn spelled it right!
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:54pm |
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grasshopper mowers also use the kabota diesels in them!
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:57pm |
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Dang you guys now I got to rethink this again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although with 2 could make one diesel and one gas, the 620 came with a tall ag tire should put the diesel in that one w dual on, now that would be wicked
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 12:59pm |
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At one time I was thinking of putting a Kubota 3 cyl gas engine in my 720.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 1:08pm |
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I was told that the new hondas use a positive ground now, thats why you dont see them in the conv kits anymore.. Im just thinking that about 30 hp would be ideal and turn it into a mowing machine.. Its hard to tell what hp ive got now but i would guess around 10 so anything will be a drastic improvement.. When you mow with a very weak engine and have to go so slow you cant help but daydream about going 7mph cutting grass. :)
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 1:12pm |
Seen the small V Honda engines used in cycles and are said to be putting out 45+ HP with some small modifications.
As far as polarity of charging system that is a small problem that isn't a problem . All my British motorcycles are + ground.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2011 at 9:06pm |
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I put the Honda 24HP replacement from Small Engine Warehouse 4 or 5 years ago in my 620 and have not regretted it one bit. It has not used a drop of oil and uses at least 1/2 the gas as the Onan engine. It has more power than the Onan and the deck belts will slip before the engine pulls down.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 8:40am |
 SHAMELESS wrote:
KC...it's a "lambordini" engine, came from the factory that way. and i'd hafta look as to how many cyl's, i can't remember right now. either 2 or 3 i think! i'll let ya know!l. and parts are readily available on this engine! even in omaha,ne! |
those Lombardini engines are 2 cylinder in the 920. Lombardini and Briggs&Stratton were somehow tied together.
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