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    Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 6:22am
I was at an auction monday, decent looking older (1958) D 17, guy looking at it was concerned about pto working, said they were weak, would not handle heavy load, is this true? I have never heard this,  it brought $1700 dollars,
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We have had two D-17's on the farm since the early seventies and have never had any pto problems, and these two tractors have done every job there is to do. I suspect the guy that was looking at it was telling you a little story to get you to shy away from the tractor so he could get it cheaper. I've seen people say and do all kinds of things at auctions to get a better deal.  Don Jr.
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Guess you would have to define heavy load. The tractor is 52 horsepower, you could run a realatively heavy load if you were stationery. The problem comes when you have a load that needs say 50HP and you are in motion, you could be down in the area of 15 to 20 HP available on the PTO real quick.
 
The other thing that happens is shock loading from an inconsitent load, like running a large bush hog and cutting small brush, that's the quickest way to tear up a PTO that I know of IMO. On the other hand, running a grain auger is usually a nice steady load and shouldn't be an issue.
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good morning Jim!!!  I agree 100% with John up here in northern MN lots of brush & lots of pto trouble, all colors of tractors. Have a great day!!! Mark L
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Like Don, I seen / heard folks at auctions talking about items. Sometimes they are honest opinions and observations - other have been negative opinions in an attempt to discourage other bidders. (have seen it work too) Just have to listen, look for yourself, think of what you need, (or want) - and then decide to bid or not and how high you would go. That's part of the fun of an auction. If the d17 at that auction was decent shape, sounds like a good buy. Wouldn't say D17's have a weak PTO - they do fine with with proper use.
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I agree with John it would depend on what you were asking it to do.But I used one that I use to have on a 489 haybine  a 268 nh baler hooked to a wagon and it never failed to answer the call .Also used it on a 718 nh chopper that  heavy grass would lug it down pretty well somtimes if i was going to fast but the pto did not fail 
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Never heard that, and growing up in the late 60's on one, we put it through many hard days of PTO work.  Grinding feed, baling with a NH with a kicker, manure doodies,  mowditioner.  That thing worked nearly everyday and never missed a lick!  It was the main tractor on the farm in those days.
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First time I ever heard PTO problems with the D-17. 
At the time it was new it was considered a powerful tractor in every respect. 
Today 52 hp is not soo much when there are up to 500 hp tractors out there and implements that demand high pto power. 
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Its not like there is a whole bunch to go wrong on a d17 PTO. Its a solid shaft with a coupler where you engage/disengage. Being you are only as strong as your weakest link, if anything were to fail, I guess the coupler would shatter before you broke the shaft
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Same pto set up was used into the 190 as I understand it. The only thing that ever failed on D17 pto for us was the external seal. Neighbor had a roll pin break but that was on the lever for engagement on a 175.
  The bucko was telling tales at the auction and probably never owned one.
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Originally posted by jiminnd jiminnd wrote:

I was at an auction monday, decent looking older (1958) D 17, guy looking at it was concerned about pto working, said they were weak, would not handle heavy load, is this true? I have never heard this,  it brought $1700 dollars,
 
consider the source .. ever been to a sale where a guy is talking down whats wrong with an item ..most are playing a little game to get that in peoples minds = lower price ...
 
never had pto issues with our D-15 series 11 
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Thanks for all the replies, I had never heard of any trouble but he said the gears were weak, I wasn't buying cause good freind I thought was and he didn't either, I guess at auctions maybe freindships don't enter in, Hi to you Mark, having good days this week, last week not so much as it was treatment week, will talk to you soon, thanks again to all.
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The only problem we ever had with the PTO on our D-17's was a leaky oil seal.  This only happened once and was a quick easy fix. 

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You can break anything if you try hard enough. I have had many D17s and never had any PTO trouble. The guy was feeding you a line.
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WD's and  45's are the ones with  the slightly weak ptos not  D-17's.
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I just read an add in, I think it was Lancaster Farmer, for a D17 with PTO problems for sale. Bob
 
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If the clutch is good, and no oil on it the PTO will hold all the power the engine will make.
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