D 17 ?
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Topic: D 17 ?
Posted By: jiminnd
Subject: D 17 ?
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 6:22am
| I was at an auction monday, decent looking older (1958) D 17, guy looking at it was concerned about pto working, said they were weak, would not handle heavy load, is this true? I have never heard this, it brought $1700 dollars, |
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Posted By: Don Jr NY
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 6:48am
| We have had two D-17's on the farm since the early seventies and have never had any pto problems, and these two tractors have done every job there is to do. I suspect the guy that was looking at it was telling you a little story to get you to shy away from the tractor so he could get it cheaper. I've seen people say and do all kinds of things at auctions to get a better deal. Don Jr. |
Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 6:49am
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Guess you would have to define heavy load. The tractor is 52 horsepower, you could run a realatively heavy load if you were stationery. The problem comes when you have a load that needs say 50HP and you are in motion, you could be down in the area of 15 to 20 HP available on the PTO real quick.
The other thing that happens is shock loading from an inconsitent load, like running a large bush hog and cutting small brush, that's the quickest way to tear up a PTO that I know of IMO. On the other hand, running a grain auger is usually a nice steady load and shouldn't be an issue.
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 7:18am
| good morning Jim!!! I agree 100% with John up here in northern MN lots of brush & lots of pto trouble, all colors of tractors. Have a great day!!! Mark L |
Posted By: Jim Lindemood
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 7:18am
| Like Don, I seen / heard folks at auctions talking about items. Sometimes they are honest opinions and observations - other have been negative opinions in an attempt to discourage other bidders. (have seen it work too) Just have to listen, look for yourself, think of what you need, (or want) - and then decide to bid or not and how high you would go. That's part of the fun of an auction. If the d17 at that auction was decent shape, sounds like a good buy. Wouldn't say D17's have a weak PTO - they do fine with with proper use. |
Posted By: gary ny
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 7:21am
| I agree with John it would depend on what you were asking it to do.But I used one that I use to have on a 489 haybine a 268 nh baler hooked to a wagon and it never failed to answer the call .Also used it on a 718 nh chopper that heavy grass would lug it down pretty well somtimes if i was going to fast but the pto did not fail |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 7:34am
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Never heard that, and growing up in the late 60's on one, we put it through many hard days of PTO work. Grinding feed, baling with a NH with a kicker, manure doodies, mowditioner. That thing worked nearly everyday and never missed a lick! It was the main tractor on the farm in those days. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 7:51am
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First time I ever heard PTO problems with the D-17.
At the time it was new it was considered a powerful tractor in every respect.
Today 52 hp is not soo much when there are up to 500 hp tractors out there and implements that demand high pto power.
Good Luck!
Bill Lonb
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 7:52am
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Its not like there is a whole bunch to go wrong on a d17 PTO. Its a solid shaft with a coupler where you engage/disengage. Being you are only as strong as your weakest link, if anything were to fail, I guess the coupler would shatter before you broke the shaft ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 8:50am
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Same pto set up was used into the 190 as I understand it. The only thing that ever failed on D17 pto for us was the external seal. Neighbor had a roll pin break but that was on the lever for engagement on a 175.
The bucko was telling tales at the auction and probably never owned one.
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Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 8:55am
consider the source .. ever been to a sale where a guy is talking down whats wrong with an item ..most are playing a little game to get that in peoples minds = lower price ...
never had pto issues with our D-15 series 11 ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
jiminnd wrote:Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 9:58am
| Thanks for all the replies, I had never heard of any trouble but he said the gears were weak, I wasn't buying cause good freind I thought was and he didn't either, I guess at auctions maybe freindships don't enter in, Hi to you Mark, having good days this week, last week not so much as it was treatment week, will talk to you soon, thanks again to all. |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 10:12am
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The only problem we ever had with the PTO on our D-17's was a leaky oil seal. This only happened once and was a quick easy fix. |
Posted By: WEL(TN)
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 12:30pm
| You can break anything if you try hard enough. I have had many D17s and never had any PTO trouble. The guy was feeding you a line. |
Posted By: Lester
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 4:46pm
| WD's and 45's are the ones with the slightly weak ptos not D-17's. |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2010 at 10:17pm
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I just read an add in, I think it was Lancaster Farmer, for a D17 with PTO problems for sale. Bob
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Posted By: gcalent
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 10:49am
| If the clutch is good, and no oil on it the PTO will hold all the power the engine will make. |