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Solar/Electric powered farm equipment by 2030? |
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DMiller
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Picked up a Drop piece of 1/8" mild steel today, 3' x 1' $27 as no cut charge, guy was in buying Stainless, Prices are AS BUY not just by the Day Week or even Hour, By The PURCHASE as to Supplier Cost. Said Nickel has Doubled in five days.
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DMiller
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Can see these Big Motor electric tractors running SMOKING Hot due to the constant HP demand, will need a Battery pack under tow along with a Cooling system to keep it all from setting itself afire.
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Tbone95
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Gotcha…we’re on the same page then. |
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DanWi
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There was an article in our local paper this past week that didn't sound in favor of electric cars and the green policy. It talked about how many tons of ore need to be mined in order to get the materials for the batteries. Then it went into the providing of electricity to recharge them, it pointed out how most electricity is produced. It did talk about the lifespan of wind generators and their disposal, but didn't say much about solar.
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DMiller
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Solar is Unproved longevity of Cells, then have to dispose of them even in Weather incidents where get smashed or damaged, Contain Lead, Cadmium, Arsenic and other assorted nasties all encased in now Broken Glass. Been told MAY have to have a storage vault On Site just to house these as NOT disposable in Landfills and NO Known recycling method much as Wind Turbine Blading.
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DougG
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Heard on Kim Kamando , i believe that a 10 year survey on home solar panels that there was little or none money savings , so whats the point of having them ????
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bigal121892
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If a John Deere 9 410RX was to be converted to electric, it would require a 2800 kwh battery, in order to get the same performance. The battery would have to be capable of being charged in 30 minutes. We are a long ways from that. The only way this is going to be practical, is with the development of a room temperature super conductive battery. The last I read, researchers were up to -100ºF. Unfortunately, the greenies are only really interested in wealth redistribution. By the way, the cheapest lithium ion batteries, are $100/kwh.
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DiyDave
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Its like those little yellow ribbons that were all the rage, a few years ago. wear 1 and it showed you care. wear 2, and it shows you care even more! The more solar panels you have, the more you care about green energy!
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steve(ill)
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i think SOLYNDRA went BUST.... If you want PANELS, call CHINA.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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dr p
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I wonder where they think they are going to all the alloys needed to make all these batteries. I think the biggest untapped reserves of rare earth metals is in China. Don't think they are going to be in a rush to send it to the west
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Kansas99
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"Unfortunately, the greenies are only really interested in wealth redistribution." and that is what it's all about, has nothing to do with the environment only who's going to profit and pay off who!! The middle class pays and get left with enough for scraps while the politicians and the elites bleed us dry.
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"LET"S GO BRANDON!!"
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DMiller
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Will almost be amusing as the Greenies whine they are starving and farmers HAVE to ramp up production as they are hungry. No blood from turnips and cannot push a rope uphill.
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jaybmiller
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re:
cannot push a rope uphill. sure you can !!! the 'trick' is to soak the rope in water, then FREEZE it.... and ...no, I've NOT been told today..
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shameless dude
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several farm equipment manuf. are testing electric tractors now, have been for a couple years. not all are tractor manufacturers, some that make short line equipment have entered the testing of their versions. it's gonna take alot of testing and changing on how farming is done now. we prolly won't see it in our lifetime, but i bet there will be alot more green houses and truck farms out there.
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bigal121892
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The Fendt Xaver, could well be the future of farming.
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Kansas99
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Speaking of Fendt, does this look or sound familiar to any of you guys? Fendt VarioPull: A pioneering innovation.On large combines(tractor/w implement), the question arises of how to optimise the axle load distribution to prevent load relief, protect the soil and maximise the traction power of the tyres. The aim of Fendt VarioPull is to be able to set the ideal load distribution between the axles, by making better use of the existing weight of the operating equipment in terms of traction, taking the varying implement tongue weights into account. In doing so, the tongue weight is shifted as far as possible from the rear axle to front axle. VarioPull does this by drawing the coupling point, for example the lower link hook, as close as possible to the rear axle using a hydro-mechanical locking cylinder. This lowers the lever arm between coupling point and rear axle, and therefore reduces the load relief on the front axle. It's such "NEW" earth shattering engineering that Fendt got awards for this "state of the art technology". Fendt VarioPull: trendsetting innovation awarded with silver.Edited by Kansas99 - 13 Mar 2022 at 8:48pm |
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ac hunter
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Can't you just mount a couple of solar panels on top of the tractor and solve the problem?
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steve(ill)
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YEP... couple solar panels putting out 5 amps should not take more than 2-3 YEARS to recharge a 130KW battery bank...
Edited by steve(ill) - 14 Mar 2022 at 1:11pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Kansas99
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Ok I’ve got a solution. So instead of a corn/bean rotation you can simply go corn/solar panel rotation or soybean/solar panel rotation. So say a 160 acre field instead of 80 acres corn and 80 acres beans you would have 80 acres of corn and 80 acres of solar panels, then simply do the same with another 160 acres but with soybeans. Now you’ll have to farm each field at night and leave your equipment plugged in all day. Also in the off season you’ll need to hire a couple 1000 people to drag all those panels to the other side of your field but it’s just a small sacrifice to save the environment and humanity and look at the bright side them panels will shade out those weeds your chemicals can’t control. Win Win!!!!
I know I know you guys are thinking that means there would only be half the food supply in the world and while technically you would be correct it just sounds worse than it is. You see that can simply be dealt with by, yep you guessed it, half and half. Only half the world eats this year then the other half eats next year. Sure at first it’ll be tuff to sometimes go a year between meals but once everyone gets used to it, they’ll realize it’s a small price to pay to save our environment and humanity. |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21665 |
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hmm why not just have 2 meals a day ? 2 people only eat two meals, that give two 'leftover' meals to a 3rd person the 'math' seems to work ??
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Kansas99
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That’s Shaq math.
But only 1 out of 4 would starve so we’re moving the needle in the right direction Jay. |
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AllisFreak MN
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Maybe mount a windmill on the cab roof? Maybe could have a belt running from the tire up to the windmill to drive it on windless days.....hmmm I might be on to something I'm calling Shark Tank.
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steve(ill)
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anyone got a FIRE HOSE ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Les Kerf
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EROEI (Energy Returned On Energy Invested)
More energy is consumed in the building of those huge windmills than they ever produce in their lifetime. Prove me wrong. |
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21665 |
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can't.....not possible. then again fusion reactors generate MORE energy than they consume....hmmmm kinda surprised there's no fire detection/suppression systems in them windmills I suppose all that burning fibreglass and oil isn't a serious health threat to man or beast ?
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Mikez
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reading stuff like this, makes me think to draw a cartoon sketch. So in these peoples minds all this stuff is to stop climate change. Sketch this older guy standing in front of his shambles of a house and the yard is a landfill of nasty broke dawn windmills, solar panels, electric vehicles and batteries all dripping hazardous waist. And sun out for a nice day. An the guy saying I’m so glad we fixed climate change.
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BrianC
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Toyota and Hyundai have electric cars that make their own electricity. They make the electricity in a fuel cell (as per old Allis experiment). The hydrogen is made by... reforming natural gas. But it could be made from solar or wind electricity. I think the Toyota fuel cell is 100KW power rating. So 4 of them could run that 200hp tractor. Fusion is just around the corner, still just around the corners. It will create a pile of activated (radio active transmuted elements) out of the reactor walls. Fission makes radioactive waste also. They all (inc. coal and NG) make about 50% waste heat that we usually send up the cooling tower or dump into nearby body of water. New battery idea of the day is also just around the corner. I use more energy heating the house and shop than running around in car. So I need a better thermal insulation material. They are working on that, just around the corner... |
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steve(ill)
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They are working on that, just
around the corner...
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jaybmiller
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this corner or THAT corner ??
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modirt
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Don't think a battery system will ever cut it. That extension cord is the only way I can see it done. A lot of deep pit hog confinement buildings are periodically pumped, with effluent injected directly in the ground.......they drag a hose across the field. Source is a pump at the building. Terminal is a manifold on the chisel plow. Relay in the cab turns pump on and off. You would have to drag the extension cord the same way. Small tractor, small fields.......huge infrastructure to distribute it. Don't see how overhead lines.......like what runs streetcars.......would ever work. As for large scale freight.......would have to go back to trains, with populations and industrial plants clustered along these train lines........or along spur lines or loops off the main lines. But the 800 pound gorilla question still remains.........what fuel source of all the AC electricity being generated on demand? Be it for tractors, trucks or trains?
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