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    Posted: 26 Apr 2022 at 10:43am
Looking at series 1 diesel. Nice sheet metal, runs well and to my surprise clean exhaust. PD works well, doesn’t appear to be a gear jumper as I went down a step hill in all gears. New clutch, rear main seal and head gasket a few years ago. Unknown hours, Tach works, hour meter does not. Generator needs to be rebuilt, has a alternator that I do not like. I would want to have the generator repaired. What else should I look for? Are the D17 diesels more reliable than the D-19?
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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40 psi oil pressure. I drove it for about 20 minutes, tested brakes, and pulled several steep hills as well as running around a field. Temp gauge peaked at about 180 degrees.
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The best of that series of engines would have been the series 4. I believe they had a better cylinder head with more cast iron in it. This required a different injector nozzle tip (smaller diameter). They had to be better than a D-19 with a turbocharger. More cylinder pressure blows head gaskets quicker. I've never liked them. They are a time bomb with sleeves sinking and head gaskets blowing and cracked heads. I have overhauled quite a few D-17 (full-flow) gas engines twice and they are still running. No head problems, no sunken sleeves, etc, etc. The diesels usually got hauled to the bone yard when they got bad enough they needed a block.
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are you going to use it as a utility tractor, or to pull a plow all day long ?
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Raking hay, pulling wagons, and occasional bailing with our NH 273 baler. Although the XT and 6060 do most of the baling.

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Well, maybe I made a mistake but I bought it at the price I wanted. Also comes with a 2 bottom roll over plow. Hope I didn’t make a mistake. Fella is good friend and honest. That made my decision easier.
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A brother might need to borrow it sometime!  :)

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Any time Charlie. We can drop the plow at your house for you to try out on some gardens.
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I purchased a 1963 D17 III Diesel from a good friend/retired AC Dealer mechanic in 2008.  He had been all over the engine to ensure the top end was in good shape.  No issues.  I use it for light duty/small jobs.  The previous owner warned me to warm it up and cool down, and ensure lots of battery available for the starter.  It is all original, with a generator, PS, gears good up and down hills.  It came with an aftermarket external tank type block coolant heater, which is very useful in chilly weather

A great small job/utility tractor.  I would not put it in the field plowing for very long as it is not new any more and some thing would probably let go under heavy load

Good luck with your D17..........
1963 D17D Series III. 1965 D15 Series II. 1965 D17 Series IV. 1975 185. 1978 716H. 1979 716H. 1965 780 Harvester/1R&DC. 1957 Model 73 SC 4 Furrow Plow
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That is quite disappointing to hear, a diesel should be a workhorse more so than a gas sucking gas engine. I made multiple calls to folks I know that have D17 diesels. Only had 1 that had a head gasket issue, everyone else had zero problems except cold starting issues. Seams a fire ring job will solve the problem if a sleeve sinks. It’s a 1959, I understand how old it is and I certainly appreciate the honesty and wise advice Doc gave me. But I am willing to take a chance since I got it at the price I needed it to be. I’ve been wanting a D17 diesel for a long time. Wish I could afford a series IV but they are through the roof price wise. I look forward to this project as I move into retirement this Friday.
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The previous owner used the D17 for baling hay with an AC 303 baler,  chopping corn/haylage with a AC 780 Forage Harvester, and working the land with plows/disc etc. He used it for many years as the main load tractor on his dairy farm.  The tractor has seen a lot of work, many hours, and has wear in the drivetrain,  hence my comment on plowing, which is probably one of the toughest loads on a tractor. 

 I would see no issue using it on a baler similar to your NH 273, or pulling loaded hay or forage wagons, raking etc

Good luck with your D17
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Serial number D17 24587D. So that makes it a 1959. According to Norms book. States at serial number 24001 they switched from the mesh grill to the black trimmed 3 bar grill. Also the oval D17 decal went away and was replaced by a rectangle D17 decal. My question is, this has the mesh grill and the oval D17 decal with a long ago repaint job. Decal is in the wrong location. I’m at least the 3rd owner. Did anyone on here work in assembly for AC and experience if they installed left over inventory on newer models at serial number change over? Odd how this one has the older decal and mesh screen.
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I know everyone would like to think that specific serial numbers were a "change"... and it possibly could be.. BUT... Allis made 12,000 D17 in 1959... or 1000 per month... Your "serial number" is 2 weeks after the "change"..... easy to believe they were just using up excess stock....... maybe the " listed serial number" is off a little ??
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I verified the serial number myself so I know it’s correct. I’m kinda in agreement Steve, probably left over stock until it’s gone. Just has me thinking about decals and the grill when I go through it and then paint it. I just want it to be correct.

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i was not suggesting YOUR serial number was wrong... just that the FACTORY might have use up decals up to 24600 and grills up to 24620 ???  I sure would not expect them to throw away good parts on off the line........ Im thinking the 24001 was "generic" guess at a later date... Not sure ALLIS recorded that.
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Gotcha, just would have thought left over supplies would have been sent to a warehouse to sell as replacements. AC was never known for good record keeping and I never understood why. Thanks Steve
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I wonder if tractors like that came off the line correct but a farmer or dealer for whatever reason ,such as damage, put on a different replacement grill or side panels. Even in cases where motors transmissions and rear ends don't match someone pieced good parts together to keep it running. They weren't worried that 60 years later it wouldn't be correct.

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Muffler has to go, eventually a big double wall chrome stack for tractor pulling, then a factory correct muffler for use on the farm.
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Haven’t figured this out. Not sure why this was done but I have the hydraulic outlet with transport valve to put back on. Looks like I will need the pipe that feeds it. Assuming there is a hose inside feeding the hydraulic lift for the lift arms?
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Interesting grille screen and radiator shell. That is a 57-58- early 59 grille screen, prior to s/n 24001. That screen only uses two retaining bolts on the lower sides. The top is held in place by a couple of tabs that fit into slots made in the radiator shell. The parts match each other. The next gen grille screen was the black screen with horizontal braces. They required four bolts/nuts to retain them. This supposedly happened at s/n 24001 and up.
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Congratulations Robbie.... NICE tractor !




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Thanks Steves and Doc for chiming in. This has been the confusing part, as I said it appears that some parts have been changed out in the front end. That’s why I asked. Let’s face it, we all have a accident trying to get closer when we park them or for what ever reason have a brain fart and just run into something. With that being said I will begin to look for the correct grill and radiator shroud. Over all I am pleased with my purchase, she is an ugly duckling but has great potential. You can only find out so much in a 20 min test drive but I was very pleased with my time on it. Will see after I get it home Sunday after church. Buying it from someone I personally know makes a difference. I hope she turns out as well as I am hoping for. Any clue to the rear hydraulic hose and why it was done? That’s the only mystery I have.
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I’m planning on moving my 82S mower to my D17, one of the main reasons for buying the D17. Just need the mount at the pulley location. Power steering and PD were the best upgrades. Sad to see the WD go but with the extra 600 lbs on the side makes it a bear to steer at slow speeds. Would like to keep the WD but don’t have room for it until I get another shop built.
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I suppose the old cast manifold connection was cracked and leaking so this was a 3 hr fix, instead of a 15 minute correct fix. They obviously didn't need a remote outlet. I am so lucky to have AGCO dealers and salvage yards in my area.
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Great lookin' Tractor Rob!  Man, the sheetmetal looks pretty darn straight!  She'll look great when you get r' done!

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Doc you are lucky to have salvage yards close by, I do not. I will see what is inside when I remove the modified part. Steve I will get the generator sent to you at some point for a rebuild. Sheet metal has no dents.
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Drove it around yesterday, motor sounds sweet! Good tractor for the money spent. 
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