Series 1 D17 Pictures added
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Topic: Series 1 D17 Pictures added
Posted By: AC720Man
Subject: Series 1 D17 Pictures added
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2022 at 10:43am
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Looking at series 1 diesel. Nice sheet metal, runs well and to my surprise clean exhaust. PD works well, doesn’t appear to be a gear jumper as I went down a step hill in all gears. New clutch, rear main seal and head gasket a few years ago. Unknown hours, Tach works, hour meter does not. Generator needs to be rebuilt, has a alternator that I do not like. I would want to have the generator repaired. What else should I look for? Are the D17 diesels more reliable than the D-19? Thanks Robbie ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2022 at 4:14pm
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40 psi oil pressure. I drove it for about 20 minutes, tested brakes, and pulled several steep hills as well as running around a field. Temp gauge peaked at about 180 degrees. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2022 at 7:33pm
| The best of that series of engines would have been the series 4. I believe they had a better cylinder head with more cast iron in it. This required a different injector nozzle tip (smaller diameter). They had to be better than a D-19 with a turbocharger. More cylinder pressure blows head gaskets quicker. I've never liked them. They are a time bomb with sleeves sinking and head gaskets blowing and cracked heads. I have overhauled quite a few D-17 (full-flow) gas engines twice and they are still running. No head problems, no sunken sleeves, etc, etc. The diesels usually got hauled to the bone yard when they got bad enough they needed a block. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2022 at 9:15pm
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are you going to use it as a utility tractor, or to pull a plow all day long ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2022 at 9:41pm
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Raking hay, pulling wagons, and occasional bailing with our NH 273 baler. Although the XT and 6060 do most of the baling. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 12:04pm
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Well, maybe I made a mistake but I bought it at the price I wanted. Also comes with a 2 bottom roll over plow. Hope I didn’t make a mistake. Fella is good friend and honest. That made my decision easier. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 12:06pm
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A brother might need to borrow it sometime! :) ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 1:35pm
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Any time Charlie. We can drop the plow at your house for you to try out on some gardens. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Leadoff
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 6:38pm
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AC720Man I purchased a 1963 D17 III Diesel from a good friend/retired AC Dealer mechanic in 2008. He had been all over the engine to ensure the top end was in good shape. No issues. I use it for light duty/small jobs. The previous owner warned me to warm it up and cool down, and ensure lots of battery available for the starter. It is all original, with a generator, PS, gears good up and down hills. It came with an aftermarket external tank type block coolant heater, which is very useful in chilly weather A great small job/utility tractor. I would not put it in the field plowing for very long as it is not new any more and some thing would probably let go under heavy load Good luck with your D17.......... ------------- 1963 D17D Series III. 1965 D15 Series II. 1965 D17 Series IV. 1975 185. 1978 716H. 1979 716H. 1965 780 Harvester/1R&DC. 1957 Model 73 SC 4 Furrow Plow |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 9:40pm
That is quite disappointing to hear, a diesel should be a workhorse more so than a gas sucking gas engine. I made multiple calls to folks I know that have D17 diesels. Only had 1 that had a head gasket issue, everyone else had zero problems except cold starting issues. Seams a fire ring job will solve the problem if a sleeve sinks. It’s a 1959, I understand how old it is and I certainly appreciate the honesty and wise advice Doc gave me. But I am willing to take a chance since I got it at the price I needed it to be. I’ve been wanting a D17 diesel for a long time. Wish I could afford a series IV but they are through the roof price wise. I look forward to this project as I move into retirement this Friday.  ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Leadoff
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 11:03pm
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AC720Man The previous owner used the D17 for baling hay with an AC 303 baler, chopping corn/haylage with a AC 780 Forage Harvester, and working the land with plows/disc etc. He used it for many years as the main load tractor on his dairy farm. The tractor has seen a lot of work, many hours, and has wear in the drivetrain, hence my comment on plowing, which is probably one of the toughest loads on a tractor. I would see no issue using it on a baler similar to your NH 273, or pulling loaded hay or forage wagons, raking etc Good luck with your D17 ------------- 1963 D17D Series III. 1965 D15 Series II. 1965 D17 Series IV. 1975 185. 1978 716H. 1979 716H. 1965 780 Harvester/1R&DC. 1957 Model 73 SC 4 Furrow Plow |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 3:57pm
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Serial number D17 24587D. So that makes it a 1959. According to Norms book. States at serial number 24001 they switched from the mesh grill to the black trimmed 3 bar grill. Also the oval D17 decal went away and was replaced by a rectangle D17 decal. My question is, this has the mesh grill and the oval D17 decal with a long ago repaint job. Decal is in the wrong location. I’m at least the 3rd owner. Did anyone on here work in assembly for AC and experience if they installed left over inventory on newer models at serial number change over? Odd how this one has the older decal and mesh screen. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 4:19pm
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I know everyone would like to think that specific serial numbers were a "change"... and it possibly could be.. BUT... Allis made 12,000 D17 in 1959... or 1000 per month... Your "serial number" is 2 weeks after the "change"..... easy to believe they were just using up excess stock....... maybe the " listed serial number" is off a little ?? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 5:21pm
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I verified the serial number myself so I know it’s correct. I’m kinda in agreement Steve, probably left over stock until it’s gone. Just has me thinking about decals and the grill when I go through it and then paint it. I just want it to be correct. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 5:37pm
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i was not suggesting YOUR serial number was wrong... just that the FACTORY might have use up decals up to 24600 and grills up to 24620 ??? I sure would not expect them to throw away good parts on off the line........ Im thinking the 24001 was "generic" guess at a later date... Not sure ALLIS recorded that. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 7:06pm
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Gotcha, just would have thought left over supplies would have been sent to a warehouse to sell as replacements. AC was never known for good record keeping and I never understood why. Thanks Steve ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 9:53pm
| I wonder if tractors like that came off the line correct but a farmer or dealer for whatever reason ,such as damage, put on a different replacement grill or side panels. Even in cases where motors transmissions and rear ends don't match someone pieced good parts together to keep it running. They weren't worried that 60 years later it wouldn't be correct. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 2:51pm
 ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 2:55pm
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Muffler has to go, eventually a big double wall chrome stack for tractor pulling, then a factory correct muffler for use on the farm. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 3:04pm
 ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 3:10pm
 ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 3:22pm
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Haven’t figured this out. Not sure why this was done but I have the hydraulic outlet with transport valve to put back on. Looks like I will need the pipe that feeds it. Assuming there is a hose inside feeding the hydraulic lift for the lift arms? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 3:58pm
| Interesting grille screen and radiator shell. That is a 57-58- early 59 grille screen, prior to s/n 24001. That screen only uses two retaining bolts on the lower sides. The top is held in place by a couple of tabs that fit into slots made in the radiator shell. The parts match each other. The next gen grille screen was the black screen with horizontal braces. They required four bolts/nuts to retain them. This supposedly happened at s/n 24001 and up. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 4:35pm
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Congratulations Robbie.... NICE tractor ! 
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 10:08pm
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Thanks Steves and Doc for chiming in. This has been the confusing part, as I said it appears that some parts have been changed out in the front end. That’s why I asked. Let’s face it, we all have a accident trying to get closer when we park them or for what ever reason have a brain fart and just run into something. With that being said I will begin to look for the correct grill and radiator shroud. Over all I am pleased with my purchase, she is an ugly duckling but has great potential. You can only find out so much in a 20 min test drive but I was very pleased with my time on it. Will see after I get it home Sunday after church. Buying it from someone I personally know makes a difference. I hope she turns out as well as I am hoping for. Any clue to the rear hydraulic hose and why it was done? That’s the only mystery I have. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 10:22pm
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I’m planning on moving my 82S mower to my D17, one of the main reasons for buying the D17. Just need the mount at the pulley location. Power steering and PD were the best upgrades. Sad to see the WD go but with the extra 600 lbs on the side makes it a bear to steer at slow speeds. Would like to keep the WD but don’t have room for it until I get another shop built. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 10:26pm
| I suppose the old cast manifold connection was cracked and leaking so this was a 3 hr fix, instead of a 15 minute correct fix. They obviously didn't need a remote outlet. I am so lucky to have AGCO dealers and salvage yards in my area. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2022 at 11:12pm
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Great lookin' Tractor Rob! Man, the sheetmetal looks pretty darn straight! She'll look great when you get r' done! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 9:20am
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Doc you are lucky to have salvage yards close by, I do not. I will see what is inside when I remove the modified part. Steve I will get the generator sent to you at some point for a rebuild. Sheet metal has no dents. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 6:29am
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Drove it around yesterday, motor sounds sweet! Good tractor for the money spent. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 7:02am
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Ryan has the mount I need for my 82S mower so I’m very pleased to hear that. Will be doing some mowing hopefully by next week. Will be so nice to have PS instead of pure muscle on the WD. Looking forward to PD also. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 8:30am
| I don't think it's an ugly Duckling. I think it's a good looking tractor. Hope everything runs good and you enjoy it. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 11:15am
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Thanks Dave, maybe next fall after fixing some leaks and using it this summer she will get a correct paint job and decals. That’s the plan anyway. Needs a steering wheel immediately, this one is hard on the hands. My list of parts is quite extensive lol ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 02 May 2022 at 9:06pm
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Removed my 82S mower off my WD this evening. Kinda sad now as the ole WD I bought a few years ago and replaced a lot of parts on to make it right needs to be sold. Hasn’t been started since late October and she popped off on the 1st turn over on the 6V battery that wasn’t even put on a charger over winter. Replacing the battery cable with wielding cable made a huge difference. Wish I had room for her but I don't. Goes up for sale shortly. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 04 May 2022 at 9:22pm
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Got my 82S rear pto assembly moved over to the D17 today. Machine shop is making me a new bracket that goes from the end of the pto support bracket to the bull gear drive housing. WD bracket is too short. Neat how this mower fits so many models with minor changes to the mounting system. Looking forward to having power steering and a PD. Also got the wielded on steering wheel nut off, soaking the steering wheel to hopefully get it off tomorrow. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 10:15am
| I know what you mean. I have a family WD45 that I restored and love. I got a D17 SIII gas last summer and it is sooo much nicer than the WD45. Power steering, A regular seat, nice slow reverse for backing up wagons, and A hood that comes off really easily. I think you'll really like it. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 6:28pm
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Nice looking tractor !! On a side-note, did the '17 have the raised, chrome lettering on the side hoods on certain years ?
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 8:26pm
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The Series 2 has a metal plate with lettering. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 10:07pm
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Received a box full of goodies today, steering wheel, gauges, seat rebuild parts if the frame can be saved, 2 latch rebuild kits, bull gear pan gaskets. I know those have never been off, so it’s probably full of crud. Also waiting for some used parts to be shipped. Getting along pretty well, old steering wheel is being quite difficult to remove. Soaking it for a few days. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: New Allis Fan
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 4:59pm
| Hey ,Doc which one -gas or diesel would lend itself to a 433 installation ,does it matter? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 8:57pm
| Diesel is easier for a 433-T transplant because the clutch shaft is shorter than a gasser and for power steering there's 3 more inches of room doing hydrostatic steering like I did. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 07 May 2022 at 8:51pm
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I was unaware until I got my series one that a cigar lighter was available, and mine has it! I’m not a smoker but I thought that was neat lol. Have 2 new clutch pedal bushings coming to take the wobble out hopefully. Also the rubber boot over the manifold heater push button. SLI had both in stock. Going to start taking the seat frame apart tomorrow, hope I can save it. It’s really worn. New bushings and seat shock assembly have arrived also. Having a good time with it so far. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 9:10am
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Have fun with the seat frame, it's a hoot! ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 11:12am
| Yeah like Charlie said the seat frame pins can be a challenge . I did both of our D 15s . Also on the clutch pedal shaft I used 3 bushings , cut one in half . Worked well . Your D 17 may be different . Good Luck ! |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 9:26pm
Charlie since ya got experience I could use your help  ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 08 May 2022 at 9:47pm
| Seems like everything had a cig lighter in the 60's-70's. Wish my 8070 had one so I could charge my phone! One of them "get aroundtoits". |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 09 May 2022 at 10:08am
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Steve that did surprise me they didn’t have a 12v outlet but then again cell phones were only beginning to become available…and usually only the wealthy could afford them. Smoking had become frowned upon as doctors encouraged everyone to stop. Today cell phones and electronics have taken off, most vehicles have multiple outlets. Other than Charlie’s D17 I really haven’t been around very many D17’s so I never noticed the cigar lighter. We have a D15 but it did not come with one nor do I believe it was an option for it. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 09 May 2022 at 12:02pm
| Good luck with the seat. That's on my list for this summer. The small bottom pivot on mine has the bushings worn through, but not terrible. Let me know how it goes! |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 09 May 2022 at 9:18pm
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Charlie stopped by after we mowed, conditioned, teded hay today. After some map gas for 10 minutes, she popped off. After it cooled down, the new steering wheel is in place. Baby steps, lol ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 09 May 2022 at 9:30pm
 Pulled the tach to send to Haim at Star Speedometer for repair. Typical tach works and the hour meter doesn’t. Will be interesting to see the hours when it broke, unable to see them now. She has a lot of hours going by the pedal wear. Sure runs well though, new clutch, rear main seal, head gasket was a big plus when deciding to buy it. Steering shaft from the steering joint to the bolster is worn, pulled it off this evening to have it rebuilt. Seams easier to replace the shaft and have the gear drive wielded onto a new shaft. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 May 2022 at 6:24am
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Looks good! Small fixes make a big difference ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 10 May 2022 at 12:11pm
| Haim does good work. He fixed me 185 and D17 tach last year |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 May 2022 at 1:31pm
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Yes he does, he did our D15 seriesII and my XT tach. They work and look like brand new. I found another oddity. Book shows clutch pedal should have 2 bushings at serial number 24001. Mine is a 24587. Bushings arrived today and when I pulled the pedal off there was no evidence of bushings. The new bushings fit the shaft great but won’t go in the clutch pedal. So another trip to drop it off at the machine shop to have it bored. This is starting to drive me nuts when getting parts. You would think at tractor 587 after the serial number change over previous parts from early model would have been used up by then. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Tom59
Date Posted: 11 May 2022 at 7:19am
| I been following the posts on your AC diesel D-17 tractor and it nice looking original tractor. I curious to see the side mounted sickle mower on the D-17 tractor. My father had a ( we called it it a belly mower ) side mounted sickle mower on a Ferguson TO-20 tractor growing up. It got traded in on aMF-35 diesel tractor my senior year in high school. I wish I talked my father into keeping it and just buying the MF-35. They are great for clipping pastures because you can see what you are doing without looking behind you. Looks like the tractor going be real nice when you are done ( not like it not now ). |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 12 May 2022 at 6:18am
 After applying some super clean, I should be able to see where I have diesel fuel leaks lol! And now I can see someone had the pump rebuilt. PO#2 was the give away. Tom I will post some pictures when I get it on, really looking forward to using it. Patiently waiting for Ryan to ship parts I have requested. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 12 May 2022 at 8:41pm
 Started the seat tear down this afternoon. Every shaft is rusted in place. Had no choice but to use my cordless cut off wheel to cut the shafts. Will try to press out tomorrow. Not sure if new shafts are available. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Tom59
Date Posted: 12 May 2022 at 10:00pm
| No problem, I like everybody’s projects. Take my mind of of my projects. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 13 May 2022 at 5:47am
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You do know those shaft are held in with 5/32 roll pins right? ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 13 May 2022 at 5:54am
And those are almost impossible to get out! I had to drill mine out. I used round stock steel for my shafts. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
DonDittmar wrote:Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 May 2022 at 6:17am
| Lay the seat frame on it's side with the roll pin end down. Rest/support the pins pocket with a piece of pipe, socket, whatever. It has to be solid and straight up and down. With a 7/16" or near 1/2" punch, beat on the other end of the suspension pin with a 4 lb hammer. Usually just a few whacks will shear off the roll pin and it's much easier to seal with. Knock out the two pieces from the pocket. Turn the pin end for end. Drill a new hole thru the pin. Removing those pins is miserable and shearing them off is the best way !!! |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 13 May 2022 at 7:43am
Never had one I couldnt get out. Need to lay the seat on the side and support it well. Heat the roll pin area red hot and cool with water. May need to do this a couple of times. You need 2 punches, one normal and one cut off short. Use the short one to get the pin moving. Once its moving switch over to the long one punch and take er home. I have maybe done 8 of those seats over the years and I have had them fight me, but never had one where I have had to drill them out. ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 13 May 2022 at 8:07am
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Soak the pin with KROIL. Go fishing or take a nap. This will give the penetrating oil a chance to work. Use an air hammer equipped with a flat head tool. The impact of the flat head tool will help vibrate the rusted roll pin and pin loose. Heating the roll pin also works. Should the roll pin be too damaged to drive out, it may be time to break out the Dremel. If you are careful, use a Dremel tool with cut-off wheel. Slice the roll pin off flush with the pin. Use the proper size punch and drive the pin out or drill, if necessary.
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 13 May 2022 at 8:05pm
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Yes I knew there are roll pins in there. Have only been able to get 1 out. Drilling them hasn’t worked with the bits I have so I bought some Cobalt bits. If they don’t cut the hardened roll pins then I will try Docs suggestion. The shafts are really rusted tight. Heat will definitely help. Ordered a new shaft kit this morning, roll pin holes are pre drilled so I won’t have to wait on the machine shop. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 14 May 2022 at 6:15am
 Took my stuff to my best friends shop last night. First, out of curiosity, I tried the Cobalt Milwaukee drill bit. It will drill the pins but it is risky if I would have been off and drilled the hole off center. So we took it to the bench and got the shaft area red hot, a few punches and it sheared the pin and drove the shaft out just as suggested. It was not that difficult even with years of rust and wear. Used a small punch to drive the remaining roll pin out while it was still hot. Took about an hour to complete the task. Definitely a 2 man job made it much easier. Obviously, the heat and banging on a vise requires a fresh paint job. . Thanks for all the great advice!! New shaft kit arrives Tuesday. Very pleased with how this project turned out.------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 14 May 2022 at 6:28am
 Also got the steering shaft back from the machine shop, they did an excellent job of rebuilding the shaft. Also bored and installed a new bushing in the shaft mounting block. Haim called me and said that he received my tach. It has 5560 hours on the meter when it broke. So, as I suspected she has quite a bit of hours on her. Hard to tell how many hours is actually on it. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 8:39am
  Received the mower bracket spacer and installed it. Man I was counting my blessings to locate one. Getting closer to installing the mower. Working on the transport valve today, hope to get that installed. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 8:46am
 Changing the oil while I work on the transport valve. Apparently the drain plug has not been removed for a long time on the oil filter housing. Having issues removing it. Looking at the parts book it doesn’t appear to be anything behind the housing such as springs or anything mechanical. I may have to remove the housing to get the plug out. Makes a mess to change oil without having a plug to remove. Is it safe to remove the housing? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 9:04am
 While I’m the area of the oil filter was there a primer located where this rubber hose is placed? I have a factory parts and service manual and I haven’t been able to find one. It has 2 brass nuts so I’m thinking there was a primer somewhere in the fuel line. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 11:16am
  The more I get into this thing the more aggravated I get. It’s been butchered in a few ways that’s driving me nuts. As you can see this is the elbow off of the transport valve just like the parts book shows, but the idiot that modified with a hydraulic hose appears the have put a male nut on the line. The parts book doesn’t show the end of the metal line. Am I missing something? Or do I need to get a new compression ring and a female end to screw into the elbow?  Yes lots of questions today lol------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 3:18pm
 Good news, Ferebee Johnson had a elbow that will work until I can resolve the line issue. Transport valve is in place. As soon a I can find a D17 parts tractor to get both lines off of this will have to be a resolution. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 May 2022 at 11:40am
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Going by my service manual there doesn’t appear it had a primer pump. Still need to know if I can remove the oil filter base to remove the stuck plug? Is there anything attached to it in the block or just a drain hole going back into the block? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 May 2022 at 8:05pm
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Anyone know the answer? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 1:05am
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Don't see one on the parts diagram. The fuel tank line goes direct to the filter housing. Maybe the tank pressure was enough to prime it. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 30 May 2022 at 1:10am
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The oil housing has O rings behind it to seal ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 10:38pm
  The seat rebuild turned out well. It rides great! Now, to explain the paint. I picked up PO paint at my local Agco dealer. Obviously, it’s PO 2, when I questioned the dealer, they simply said it was PO. Obviously it’s not. Went ahead and gave it a coat over the primer to prevent rust before a full paint job this fall. Looks like PO2 and corporate orange is all that’s on their shelf! ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2022 at 2:25pm
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I found out apparently that you cannot run a transport valve off of just the pressure line. I tried it and it just over pressurized the valve and it started leaking fluid under the base and rear of the transport valve. Tried it twice with a new gasket and different sealant each time. I put the stock one on and it hasn’t leaked yet. Will have to wait until I can get a return line before I try it again. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |