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Took you long enough to figure the square root of 2. But you posted yout engine pulled 7 inches at wot in a post i believe.10 cfm if yous running on the cheap as stated above you know a 450or a600 cfm four barrel can be had for less than 100 and with just the choke housing milled off would kick the two barrel with alot of works secondarries.when asked straight up it takes him a day or two to either research or ask a buddy or daddy how to answere correctly. However he did get the square of two .

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Pankey,check the muffler system bearings for proper bushing MO2 and re-align the gypsum saddle. Then, retork the hydrflurocarban platinum tipped halogen fluid to about 68 parsecs. Once the bindlelater is desludged down by the carberator fanbelt, de-flux the flux capacitizer, and then plane about 18.5 millinanograms off the KFC set screw. This should get you close to the genesis nexus critical mass number of 423 drams. Good luck...Other than that, its nun of my business
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Trevman. Flux capacitors are so outdated. Salad food processor was the last movie craze.
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You guys confuse me but this I believe.
 
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC

1968 one-seventy

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Jeez whiz, who really cares! Never posted about this pissing match before but tonight im feeling froggy. Really dont know either of you two, but i have seen marty's tractor run in person and talked to him before in my youth. His tractor gave me ideas that i never had thought of before , kinda of an outside the box experience. I also really enjoyed see pictures and the dialogue of pankeys engine build. These two tractors are in totally different classes but are both orange which i totally love!! Absolutely despise the red and green colored tractors period, and by green i mean both brands. One thing about tractor pulling is no matter what class you're in one factor and only one factor will vary between the tractor that gets the 100 dollars and a trophy and the tractor in second place and that is the driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Blah Blah Blah about carbs about so many inches of depression, seiously how much power difference and mechanical advantage do you expect to get, enough to make the difference between drivers, track conditions and so on i doubt it! Put three drivers on the same tractor pankey and see how much difference in feet there is between the farthest and shortest, i would bet mathmatically on the computer 20 horse cant make up the difference! So Long story short keep the builds and info coming and pisssing matches  reserved for some fantasy pulling league or something!!!!!!! Please.
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No Pankey, Flux Capacitizer, wont work in a salad processer, I tried it...
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You know Allisman, pankey only wants us to beleve he knows something. He blew his engine up with only 5 runs on it and has made up a bunch of bogus stories. When questioned makes up lies.

Now he comes on here lookin for an argument and totally gets his but kicked.

Pankey is trying to insult him again by saying it takes to much time for a reply so he has to ask someone for information. I met the guy in person, he knows this stuff inside and out. He's done his homework and worked hard. No one gave it to him.

I still want to know why he's avoiding my questions?

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My vocational auto instructor always reminded us that the Wright Bros. airplane did'nt fly the first time out either. Pretty simple and great verbal wisdom, I'm sure both these guys have trashed more than their fair share of allis parts. Rod what do you pull, do you have any success or failure stories? Really enjoy hearing them,reason one to get ideas, and two to learn of others mistakes so as not to do the same thing myself. I know questions have been asked and left unanswered on this post so on and so on. Has anyone tried EFI on a 226 block or build a cross flow head, or wow go for the real gusto and design a hemispherical head with an overhead cam that turns 7000 rpm's ? Keep the tech coming for all us orange gear heads. 

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Originally posted by ALLISMAN32 ALLISMAN32 wrote:

My vocational auto instructor always reminded us that the Wright Bros. airplane did'nt fly the first time out either. Pretty simple and great verbal wisdom, I'm sure both these guys have trashed more than their fair share of allis parts. Rod what do you pull, do you have any success or failure stories? Really enjoy hearing them,reason one to get ideas, and two to learn of others mistakes so as not to do the same thing myself. I know questions have been asked and left unanswered on this post so on and so on. Has anyone tried EFI on a 226 block or build a cross flow head, or wow go for the real gusto and design a hemispherical head with an overhead cam that turns 7000 rpm's ? Keep the tech coming for all us orange gear heads. 

I have went as far as knowing the 5 inch bore spacing chrysler hemi head should but getting it running hasn't happened to date. Mack on here has built a nice a 262 aluminum head . So i and the  other  two stooges  arent the only capable people on this site . Just the three boastful challenging each other. Except we dont get much from RodB other than cheerleading for Wi
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Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

You know Allisman, pankey only wants us to beleve he knows something. He blew his engine up with only 5 runs on it and has made up a bunch of bogus stories. When questioned makes up lies.

Now he comes on here lookin for an argument and totally gets his but kicked.

Pankey is trying to insult him again by saying it takes to much time for a reply so he has to ask someone for information. I met the guy in person, he knows this stuff inside and out. He's done his homework and worked hard. No one gave it to him.

I still want to know why he's avoiding my questions?
  Rod 2 or four bores doesnt nesacarilly flow more air than a 1 barrel . the bores are competing for the same air . Also the depression on a flow bench is low usually 10 inches of water of one venturi or bore mutiplied by the number of bores or venturis wich usually makes the CFM reading quiet higher than it actually is . you also have to multiply the old 450 cfm by along with the square root of two times 1.08 to change its cfm to the wet flow the new 650 2 barrel was tested at. wet flow started in 1980, 450 cfm carbs were first seen on 1966 289 mustangs.  Wi didnt do that so his math isn't exactly right either.   To know if wi carb out flows the usx on the my 400 lus cube you would have to know my manifold vaccum as well as his.

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bumb .seams when I put out tech . info . there are no cheerleaders for me . hurrah hurrah sock em in the knee . I guess i will just cheer myself.
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You tryed hard pankey, but you did not know the question had no answer. Thankfully WI was able to outline why.

I have no doubt you are an expert on mental depression.

You must be scared to answer my questions. You been skateing around them for days now.
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I answered because the rules said so. pretty straight to the point if you have comprehension skills.  I also asked why you think his carb flows twice what mine did when you dont know how much vacuum depression my big engine pulled . Wi stated at wot no load his pulled 7 hg .I never said what mine pulled other than my engine was capable of pulling more than 28 inches of water through the head. 

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When you learn some more of the basics of airflow, you will learn that air is not drawn into the cylinder but rather it is pushed in by atmospheric pressure.  It is not good to have so much depression in the intake manifold, it only tells us how much restriction there is.  It's also a non linear equation, but that's for later when you learn more.
 
Why would you limet yourself by useing such a small carb?  The engine would make a lot more power with one sized correctly like WI is useing.  If it has to be an updraft carb, there are much better options out there.
 
So you fail to answer my questions of why useing such a large diameter main berring when a smaller one has less friction and less berring speed.  Also why the wide rods?  Why the heavy stock Allis push rods when there are much better options out there.
 
When will you be running and make us that video that you promised over a year ago? As at that time you only were going to put a rod in and show all of us how it was done.
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When you two laids get a wet flow setup you realize how basic you two are and untill then try not to pull over 190 inches of water on wis orifice tube your liable to damage his urethra
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Rod, how can you have any argument about an engine when you can even spell the parts correctly. Last time a checked the word "berring" was spelt like this. BEARING.

And you two should really give it a rest, go meet at a cracker barrel and duke it out or something.

That is all.
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Man, I never thought my choice of carbs could be so tough on some people.  In the time some have spent worrying about what I did, they could have done something on their own....... I managed to port a cylinder head for a customer, plant a few hundred acres of corn, build a fuel tank for our alky superstock and get some of the intake manifold done for it.  Today we even pulled this Allis engine apart to do some work on the crank and bearings. 
 
I did run a  Zenith carb from a big Continental engine with a 2.25" throttle plate and a 1.9" venturi, then ran a Stromberg NAR-6B and NAR-7B carb for a while, but then went to the downdraft.
 
I suppose I could have argued for a few weeks about which one works best, but I really don't know untill I try and see.  Messed with a few cam grinds a few times to see what worked best, in that old video there's quite a difference in some of the runs depending on carb and cam.  Can't go off what someone else says is right, and can't go off the computer program or the magazine article.
 
Allisman, why do you think I did not post any pictures of the top end of the engine this winter in the Crossbreading thread........I'll show them sometime, but I'd bet it'll be tough for our village idiot to comprehend.  It's pretty involved makeing a laminated deck plate and things aren't finished enough yet to show. 
"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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WI hope you are staying busy in the shop and not reading all this rubbish! When i saw your tractor in person and pulling you were running a massive updraft stromberg carb. At that point after seeing your tractor and you showing me your pics of the build you jumped to the top of my list of super cool gearhead guys! Unfortunately in my area unless you are running in a run what you brung open class at 6500 lbs there is no class for a Super Bad A$$ WC Allis. Pankeys engine build did seem to fit into the design and build criteria for an Allis tractor in our area in the antique class where a WC or WD could be competitive. Now i can think of several reasons why to use a simple 2 barrel carb like WI. First the simplicity of only one float bowl and metering block. Two a standard 226 design head has only 2 intake ports wow how simple could tuning and intake design features be with a ( hold the applause) 2 barrel carb. A person can analyze and over analyze this all they want but at the end of the the day success versus dollars spent is all that matters to me period!!!!!!!!  The hook fees cost the same at 20,000 dollars investment or 2,000 and only one guy can claim to be a winner. I appreciate more than both you gentleman can realize the info you put onto this site and hope you keep it coming!!! At the end of the day lets concentrate on beating the SOB ( some other Brands) and make the little orange tractors that could be the best that they can be for the class that they are in!  Keep the tech coming guys we are few and far between.
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