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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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This is the Model C for which the combine engine is destined. ![]() |
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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3714 |
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Daaannngggg, I thought I was ambitious
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jvin248 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan 2022 Location: Detroit Points: 398 |
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. +1 that's a project! We didn't have a C version on the farm so I had to pull up the Tractor Data page. That looks like a good tractor to have. Using gov inflation stats, if sold new today it would be a $16,000 tractor. Which seems like a bargain for what you could farm with it. .
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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![]() We are working under a very LOW budget situation here so don't expect to see a fancy restoration ![]() We need (or at least I think we need) another power plant engine; the combine engine itself could suffice as it has the PTO gearbox, but it has no provision for electric start, and it would be more convenient if it were self-propelled rather than needing to be hauled around for different applications. The derelict tractor should solve both of those problems. This tractor belonged to a dear family friend and neighbor; I first saw this machine when I was about four years old back in 1962, and I remember helping in the hay fields where it was being used. The neighbor sold the farm in the late 1960's and passed away a few years later. Subsequent owners neglected the tractor and the block cracked from freezing water. Somehow my Dad acquired the tractor and it has sat on our place ever since; he wanted to fix it up but passed away far too young. My Grandson and I hope to make it roar once again if the Lord is willing, so this is a labor of love as much as anything. Edited by Les Kerf - 14 Jan 2025 at 9:10am |
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 7611 |
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Would it be more advantageous to convert the combine to PTO?
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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I did not mean to be misleading; the combine will probably never run again and never has since I have owned it, I wouldn't even begin to know how to run it. I bought it from another neighbor about 40 years ago, I do remember seeing it run back in the 70's when the neighbor put in about 20 acres of oats. He had his Father bring the combine up from Coeur d' Alene for the job and it never left the place. I bought it mainly for the engine as I had a Model C at the time. The engine was stuck when I removed it this winter, but not too badly, and it turns over quite nicely now. The blower engine is another story, good thing it was cheap. But I got another magneto, which was worth the price in itself.
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ekjdm14 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 20 Aug 2024 Location: Manchester UK Points: 641 |
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Wow, as per others I thought I was ambitious until I saw this thread! Definitely think that blower engine is a little past what even I would'a tried to revive, though it'd be interesting to see if the cracked liners could be welded up and forced to go again haha!
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 84840 |
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LES... so the GOAL is to get SOMETHING to put in the little C tractor for your Grandson to run..?? . and you want it to be electric start...
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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That pretty much sums it up, except it will more realistically be for me to run since my Grandson seems to have commandeered my other Model C (and now my 1941 Johnny Popper as well) ![]() |
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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I actually had already purchased a cylinder/piston sleeve kit, valve train kit, water pump and full gasket set ahead of time in preparation for this project. However, the blower engine looks so bad, and the combine engine looks so good, that the only parts I will need for now are the gaskets. I haven't given up on the blower engine just yet though ![]() |
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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The saga continues: It just gets worse and worse! A bit difficult to get a good photo, but this is the front main journal on the blower engine. The crankshaft has been shoved ahead with massive wear on the thrust surface; it is 'stuck' so I do not yet know how much end play it has, but I intend to get it loose and lift it out. The release fingers on the clutch are worn so badly that they actually folded completely over. This engine PTO has the straight-through output shaft with a V-pulley on it so there are no gears involved to allow putting the PTO in neutral (the shaft turns at engine speed). The only way to disengage the PTO is to release the clutch, which has a little metal tab that can be flipped over to lock the lever forward; the throwout bearing is then riding fully on the release fingers to hold the clutch in the released position. Since this engine is a hand-cranked unit, I'm pretty certain that the operators left the engine running and simply locked the clutch 'out' while they doodled around getting the next load of hay, etc. rather than wasting the effort to re-start it. Hence the massive thrust wear on the clutch and crankshaft. I doubt the crankshaft is salvageable. ![]() |
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wjohn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 2121 |
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Oof! Do you have another salvageable crank?
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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1009 |
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I have not examined the crank in the derelict Model C yet
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5925 |
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Jay said "at 71 I'm not in a hurry....though it'd be nice if ONE of my 2 big toes healed up soon..." Jay, 'ya got me beat in that category... I got one healed big toe, and aside from a few owies along the way, that's the way for the last 43 years... ![]() That crank is pretty rough. I know guys that could clean it up, but I don't think it could be done as economically as finding a usable replacement. Getting the sleeves out... probably scrub it out as best I could, unbolt the rods and shimmy the crank out, then long hardwood block on the pistons, and drive the sleeves, slugs, etc., all out together. If it froze, I would be surprised if it didn't have freeze fractures along the beltline zone between the crankcase and lower end of the liners... and probably the webbing between cylinder liners... but 'ya won't know 'till you got it pulled down and cleaned up.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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