This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Allis Chalmers > Farm Equipment
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Ran When Parked...

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
Author
Message
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2025 at 3:01pm
This is the Model C for which the combine engine is destined.

Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
plummerscarin View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 22 Jun 2015
Location: ia
Points: 3714
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote plummerscarin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 2025 at 3:21pm
Daaannngggg, I thought I was ambitious
Back to Top
jvin248 View Drop Down
Silver Level
Silver Level
Avatar

Joined: 17 Jan 2022
Location: Detroit
Points: 398
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote jvin248 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 7:40am
.

+1 that's a project!

 We didn't have a C version on the farm so I had to pull up the Tractor Data page. That looks like a good tractor to have.

Using gov inflation stats, if sold new today it would be a $16,000 tractor. Which seems like a bargain for what you could farm with it.

.
Back to Top
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 9:08am
Originally posted by plummerscarin plummerscarin wrote:

Daaannngggg, I thought I was ambitious

Smile
We are working under a very LOW budget situation here so don't expect to see a fancy restoration LOL

We need (or at least I think we need) another power plant engine; the combine engine itself could suffice as it has the PTO gearbox, but it has no provision for electric start, and it would be more convenient if it were self-propelled rather than needing to be hauled around for different applications. The derelict tractor should solve both of those problems.

This tractor belonged to a dear family friend and neighbor; I first saw this machine when I was about four years old back in 1962, and I remember helping in the hay fields where it was being used.

The neighbor sold the farm in the late 1960's and passed away a few years later. Subsequent owners neglected the tractor and the block cracked from freezing water.

Somehow my Dad acquired the tractor and it has sat on our place ever since; he wanted to fix it up but passed away far too young. My Grandson and I hope to make it roar once again if the Lord is willing, so this is a labor of love as much as anything.



Edited by Les Kerf - 14 Jan 2025 at 9:10am
Back to Top
Lars(wi) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Permian Basin
Points: 7611
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lars(wi) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 9:23am
Would it be more advantageous to convert the combine to PTO?
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
Back to Top
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 10:25am
Originally posted by Lars(wi) Lars(wi) wrote:

Would it be more advantageous to convert the combine to PTO?

I did not mean to be misleading; the combine will probably never run again and never has since I have owned it, I wouldn't even begin to know how to run it. I bought it from another neighbor about 40 years ago, I do remember seeing it run back in the 70's when the neighbor put in about 20 acres of oats. He had his Father bring the combine up from Coeur d' Alene for the job and it never left the place. I bought it mainly for the engine as I had a Model C at the time.

The engine was stuck when I removed it this winter, but not too badly, and it turns over quite nicely now.

The blower engine is another story, good thing it was cheap. But I got another magneto, which was worth the price in itself.
Back to Top
ekjdm14 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 20 Aug 2024
Location: Manchester UK
Points: 641
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote ekjdm14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2025 at 7:23am
Wow, as per others I thought I was ambitious until I saw this thread! Definitely think that blower engine is a little past what even I would'a tried to revive, though it'd be interesting to see if the cracked liners could be welded up and forced to go again haha!


Back to Top
steve(ill) View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: illinois
Points: 84840
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2025 at 8:07am
LES... so the GOAL is to get SOMETHING to put in the little C tractor for your Grandson to run..?? . and you want it to be electric start... 
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
Back to Top
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2025 at 9:30am
Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

LES... so the GOAL is to get SOMETHING to put in the little C tractor for your Grandson to run..?? . and you want it to be electric start... 

That pretty much sums it up, except it will more realistically be for me to run since my Grandson seems to have commandeered my other Model C (and now my 1941 Johnny Popper as well) Tongue
Back to Top
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2025 at 9:39am
Originally posted by ekjdm14 ekjdm14 wrote:

Wow, as per others I thought I was ambitious until I saw this thread! Definitely think that blower engine is a little past what even I would'a tried to revive, though it'd be interesting to see if the cracked liners could be welded up and forced to go again haha!

I actually had already purchased a cylinder/piston sleeve kit, valve train kit, water pump and full gasket set ahead of time in preparation for this project.

However, the blower engine looks so bad, and the combine engine looks so good, that the only parts I will need for now are the gaskets.

I haven't given up on the blower engine just yet though Big smile
Back to Top
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 4:55pm
The saga continues: It just gets worse and worse!

A bit difficult to get a good photo, but this is the front main journal on the blower engine. The crankshaft has been shoved ahead with massive wear on the thrust surface; it is 'stuck' so I do not yet know how much end play it has, but I intend to get it loose and lift it out.

The release fingers on the clutch are worn so badly that they actually folded completely over.

This engine PTO has the straight-through output shaft with a V-pulley on it so there are no gears involved to allow putting the PTO in neutral (the shaft turns at engine speed). The only way to disengage the PTO is to release the clutch, which has a little metal tab that can be flipped over to lock the lever forward; the throwout bearing is then riding fully on the release fingers to hold the clutch in the released position.

Since this engine is a hand-cranked unit, I'm pretty certain that the operators left the engine running and simply locked the clutch 'out' while they doodled around getting the next load of hay, etc. rather than wasting the effort to re-start it. Hence the massive thrust wear on the clutch and crankshaft.

I doubt the crankshaft is salvageable.

Back to Top
wjohn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Location: KS
Points: 2121
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 11:47pm
Oof! Do you have another salvageable crank?
1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
Back to Top
Les Kerf View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 08 May 2020
Location: Idaho
Points: 1009
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 2025 at 7:53am
Originally posted by wjohn wjohn wrote:

Oof! Do you have another salvageable crank?

I have not examined the crank in the derelict Model C yet
Back to Top
DaveKamp View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Location: LeClaire, Ia
Points: 5925
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2025 at 10:09pm
Jay said "at 71 I'm not in a hurry....though it'd be nice if ONE of my 2 big toes healed up soon..."

Jay, 'ya got me beat in that category... I got one healed big toe, and aside from a few owies along the way, that's the way for the last 43 years... LOL

That crank is pretty rough.  I know guys that could clean it up, but I don't think it could be done as economically as finding a usable replacement.  Getting the sleeves out... probably scrub it out as best I could, unbolt the rods and shimmy the crank out, then long hardwood block on the pistons, and drive the sleeves, slugs, etc., all out together.

If it froze, I would be surprised if it didn't have freeze fractures along the beltline zone between the crankcase and lower end of the liners... and probably the webbing between cylinder liners... but 'ya won't know 'till you got it pulled down and cleaned up.
Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum