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Topic: Ran When Parked...
Posted By: Les Kerf
Subject: Ran When Parked...
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 8:46am
I bought this engine (cheap) mounted on an old Allis-Chalmers hay blower. Cylinders #1 & #4 have large chunks broken out of the sleeves, I presume caused by water freezing. I'm hoping I can get the sleeves out without damaging the block.



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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 9:06am
Pretty Ugly


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 9:11am
scuff and buff, she'll fire right up !!!!

ATF/ace 50:50  and some patience. OK, maybe a lot of patience.

nice 'winter project' though...


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 9:37am
Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Pretty Ugly

Yup.
I cannot recall ever seeing worse Ouch


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 9:38am
Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

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nice 'winter project' though...

Might take several winters!


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 9:42am
at 71 I'm not in a hurry....though it'd be nice if ONE of my 2 big toes healed up soon...


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 9:55am
If it were me, I scrape an vacuum all the loose chunks out and if I could get a fluid to sit in the cylinders, I's use an actual rust remover- Evap-O-Rust, not some mix of anything.  Then, when as much rust is gone as possible, load it up with some sort of penetrating oil and you may be able to get it disassembled without too much stress on the block.

I used this method on a "B" engine with 2 rusty cylinders and it runs great years later with the pistons never having been taken out.  I get your engine isn't going to do that, but getting rid of the rust will help it come apart.


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Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 10:32am
Good luck Les. The G I had once upon a time ran when parked also. Looked just like yours! šŸ˜«

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Blue Skies and Tail Winds
                          Dana


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 10:40am
Wow- junk it and get a different one!


Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 11:08am
Might be a great candidate for an electrolysis soak (e-bath). Anyone on here ever do an entire engine into a e-bath? How are its head, valves, intake, exhaust manifolds ??


Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 11:20am
Les Kerf, is your engine a D14 149cu in from an AC 30L long conveyor or 30S short auger blower?


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 1:54pm
I thought it might be a 125 CE engine... but your right, possible a 149..

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 6:54pm
Les, is that the blower that sold in tioga county pa in Sept?


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

... How are its head, valves, intake, exhaust manifolds ??

Pretty rough, not sure what will be salvageable.

Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Les Kerf, is your engine a D14 149cu in from an AC 30L long conveyor or 30S short auger blower?

I am not knowledgeable enough about blowers to say but it doesn't have an auger. The engine is a 125 for certain, hand crank only.

I will try to get some more photos


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by dr p dr p wrote:

Les, is that the blower that sold in tioga county pa in Sept?

No, this one has been sitting on my neighbors farm here in northern Idaho for many years


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Wow- junk it and get a different one!

I actually have different one that looks like it will be much better, although it too is stuck. We got it to move about a half turn today


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2025 at 7:36pm
son got a CASE 530 backhoe that was setting in the corn field for 10 years with not stack on it.. ( 15 years ago)... I rebuilt the motor for him... Looked very similar to that one.. Once you get the pistons and crank out and pound out the sleeves.. you got the bare block... If not crack, it will clean up OK.... NEW KIT fixes about 90% of those problems ! ... I had to get the crank turned .020 to clean it up due to rain water in the crank case..

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 2:00pm
My 60a combine engine looks just like thatā€¦
In the process of getting the sleeves out to inspect the block.


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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45


Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 3:42pm
Looks like the one in my WD project with 2 less cylinders. After complete disassembly the block cleaned up nice and the crank was turned .010ā€ under. New engine kit is making it look real good so far.


Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 4:34pm
My 59 D14 looked similar to that when I got it.  Soaked it for several months and pounded out sleeves and all.  Both the crank and cam were still good.  Put a major OH kit in it and rebuilt the head.  She runs 100% now.


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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Les Kerf, is your engine a D14 149cu in from an AC 30L long conveyor or 30S short auger blower?




Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Might be a great candidate for an electrolysis soak (e-bath). Anyone on here ever do an entire engine into a e-bath? How are its head, valves, intake, exhaust manifolds ??

Bottom View



Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Might be a great candidate for an electrolysis soak (e-bath). Anyone on here ever do an entire engine into a e-bath? How are its head, valves, intake, exhaust manifolds ??


brass, copper, and aluminum are negatively affected by electrolysis, it's also a line of sight operation, anode needs to be able to "see" all nooks and cranny's to clean them, would be hard on an assembled engine 


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Allis Express North Georgia
41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's,
Ford 345C TLB


Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2025 at 9:41am
I like a challenge, but I might give that one a pass!!


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2025 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by 55allis 55allis wrote:

My 60a combine engine looks just like thatā€¦
In the process of getting the sleeves out to inspect the block.

Here is my Model 60 Combine engine, just got it freed up yesterday. MUCH better looking on top, have yet to pull the pan.



Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2025 at 2:38pm
My bottom end looks pretty nice other than the crank seems to be a bit scored. Hoping it will be fine for the combine being I will have more into the engine than itā€™s worth.

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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45


Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 10:55am
Les Kerf, just wondering how your 125 engine is coming along? Thanks for all your follow up photos & answers.


Posted By: KenBWisc
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 3:42pm
I fear that is more than electrolysis can handle from my experience.

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'34 WC #629, '49 G, '49 B, '49 WD, '62 D-19, '38 All Crop 60 and still hunting!


Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2025 at 7:29pm
just make sure the valves seal and replace the oil sump pickup pipe that is probley cracked and it will run


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2025 at 7:22am
Originally posted by AC7060IL AC7060IL wrote:

Les Kerf, just wondering how your 125 engine is coming along? Thanks for all your follow up photos & answers.

I am setting the blower engine aside for now and focusing on the Model 60 combine engine as it is in MUCH better condition.

Combine bottom view:

Everything looks so good I am not even going to remove the bearing caps.

Combine head:
A basic cleanup and valve job should suffice.


Combine Head #3 Cylinder:
The intake valve seat has been re-worked and machined into the head somewhat deeper, maybe 1/16" or so. Not easy to see in the photo.
I am not going to stress over it.


I am planning to re-seal everything and set it aside. I have a derelict Model C in which I hope to install this. That will warrant a new topic.



Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2025 at 3:01pm
This is the Model C for which the combine engine is destined.



Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2025 at 3:21pm
Daaannngggg, I thought I was ambitious


Posted By: jvin248
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 7:40am
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+1 that's a project!

 We didn't have a C version on the farm so I had to pull up the Tractor Data page. That looks like a good tractor to have.

Using gov inflation stats, if sold new today it would be a $16,000 tractor. Which seems like a bargain for what you could farm with it.

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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 9:08am
Originally posted by plummerscarin plummerscarin wrote:

Daaannngggg, I thought I was ambitious

Smile
We are working under a very LOW budget situation here so don't expect to see a fancy restoration LOL

We need (or at least I think we need) another power plant engine; the combine engine itself could suffice as it has the PTO gearbox, but it has no provision for electric start, and it would be more convenient if it were self-propelled rather than needing to be hauled around for different applications. The derelict tractor should solve both of those problems.

This tractor belonged to a dear family friend and neighbor; I first saw this machine when I was about four years old back in 1962, and I remember helping in the hay fields where it was being used.

The neighbor sold the farm in the late 1960's and passed away a few years later. Subsequent owners neglected the tractor and the block cracked from freezing water.

Somehow my Dad acquired the tractor and it has sat on our place ever since; he wanted to fix it up but passed away far too young. My Grandson and I hope to make it roar once again if the Lord is willing, so this is a labor of love as much as anything.



Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 9:23am
Would it be more advantageous to convert the combine to PTO?

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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and thatā€™s where I found the science.


Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2025 at 10:25am
Originally posted by Lars(wi) Lars(wi) wrote:

Would it be more advantageous to convert the combine to PTO?

I did not mean to be misleading; the combine will probably never run again and never has since I have owned it, I wouldn't even begin to know how to run it. I bought it from another neighbor about 40 years ago, I do remember seeing it run back in the 70's when the neighbor put in about 20 acres of oats. He had his Father bring the combine up from Coeur d' Alene for the job and it never left the place. I bought it mainly for the engine as I had a Model C at the time.

The engine was stuck when I removed it this winter, but not too badly, and it turns over quite nicely now.

The blower engine is another story, good thing it was cheap. But I got another magneto, which was worth the price in itself.


Posted By: ekjdm14
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2025 at 7:23am
Wow, as per others I thought I was ambitious until I saw this thread! Definitely think that blower engine is a little past what even I would'a tried to revive, though it'd be interesting to see if the cracked liners could be welded up and forced to go again haha!




Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2025 at 8:07am
LES... so the GOAL is to get SOMETHING to put in the little C tractor for your Grandson to run..?? . and you want it to be electric start... 

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.



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