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arkfisher 
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:51am |
I was recently on a trip and ran across these tractors. They were just sitting in a fence row off of the road so I stopped and took a couple pictures... I left my information so the guy could call me and he got in touch with me last night. He said that he'd sell me the tractors...I just don't know what they might be worth.
There are 3 tractors total, however, I only saw 2 when I was there....I guess I had tunnel vision. One has a belly mower, one has cultivators, and the 3rd he said has a sickle mower. I think one is an AC maybe? I know that one has spoke wheels. Sheet metal looks good on them, but I'm not sure about the engines.
The man said that he bought them 7-8 years ago with hopes for restoring them, but he also bought 20 or so other tractors and has yet to turn a wrench on any of them. When he bought them, he said the engines were freed up, but I'm not sure now since they've been out in the weather like this.
The tractors are about a 5 hour drive from me...so I'm just wanting some opinions from you guys so I can decide if I'm going to make that trip to check things out closer. He will only sell them as a group...not individually. Oh, these are the only Allis tractors that he has.
Thanks in advance guys.
Richard
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Brad-MN
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:00am |
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They look like B's or C's to me, I can never tell the difference between them without standing right next to a couple.
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:29am |
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Big ? is ,Is it worth, your time to drive there ,then go back to get them ,how are you going to load them,haul them .What are you going to do with them .It's ALL about time and money .If you go a get them .then you have to know how much money in gas or fuel wear a tear on truck ,trailer etc. . Then if you part them are you going to make enoght to pay what it took to go get them .If you have time on your hands to play with them and not look to selling them ,you have to know .They are common found tractor's .
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:31am |
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Just remeber TIME is MONEY !! rather it is a hobby or business.
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Matt MN
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:49am |
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it appears to be a model C with wide front. I would guess they are worth $200-$300 in the condition they are in.
the one with the brush on the hood is an adjustable wide front B.
Edited by Matt MN - 15 Feb 2011 at 11:35am
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:51am |
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They look like wide front C's to me. Not worth much exept for the wide front.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:05am |
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If I'm understanding right the guy has 20+ tractors ? I think I would see if he wants to sell any of the others and what there are before I jumped on these.
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Chris/CT
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:19am |
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Red flag; Selling only as a "Lot"? How does a seller justify that approach to a sale? Sounds like they will sit or end up in a metal dumpster. I would gently try to find out his/her reasoning for the selling as lot. Thinking now, auction platform would be desired for sale operation to rid all iron in one fell swoop.
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Dave Richards (WV)
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:40am |
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Last Picture, WFE C. Got out my glasses and saw the steering arm.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:46am |
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The next to last pic looks like a one row tractor which would be a B, but it's hard to tell from these pics. Dave is right on the last pic.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:46am |
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Bottom line in my opinion, with 5 hour trip I would offer $500. for the lot. If he says no, I would be polite and ask him to remember me and my number as I,m preparing to leave.
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arkfisher
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 11:46am |
He said he has several (20+) tractors that he bought up to work on and never did, but these are the only allis tractors. The only thing I would be out is time...don't have to worry about fuel getting there and back as I could pick them up while I am working....Just trying to get an idea of value.
I don't really see a red flag here...I talked with him at length last night...he bought these as a lot and wants to get rid of them the same way.
Money isn't really the idea with him. After visiting with him, I found out we are in the same industry... oil and gas and he's a consultant for one of the companies. I know that the consultants with our company make $1500/day. 3 weeks on, 1 week off.
I was thinking about 200$ each and I wouldn't get hurt on them, but he's asking a bit more....
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 1:37pm |
 Dave Richards (WV) wrote:
Last Picture, WFE C. Got out my glasses and saw the steering arm. |
Dave! thems was the wife's glasses I think!
Steering arm pointed down equals B
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 2:50pm |
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Butch, that arm pointing down at a rearward angle isn't a steering arm (with my glasses and my wife's) I can see the upward and slightly forward C steering arm as well as the wide track of the rear tires. And the 5 bolt hub would have to be a later model B wouldn't it.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 3:09pm |
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Butch I think they fooled ya, after cleaning up and blowing up the pic the arm is up and something is going down ? but not the steering arm. Mike
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 4:55pm |
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First two look like C,s last two look like adjustable axle B,s . Look at front axle center mounts.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 5:15pm |
So everyone can see the steering arm, and the first 2 and last picture look like they are of the same tractor being the C, and the third looks like a B  Found this picture and it has the rod going down as well as up like the last picture does 
Edited by jminpa - 15 Feb 2011 at 5:30pm
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 5:31pm |
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The $200 each thing seems like a fair deal to me. You don't know if you even have a good transmission yet. Tractors sitting out side scare me, you don't know where water has gotten into or what has been frozen and cracked etc.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 7:56pm |
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$200 for all three is fair price not knowing what you are going to get in to I should know with the 1940 I bought I think I stole that one for $200
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:05pm |
Interestingly, that one with the "arm" up, is wearing a 60 series cultivator for the B.....
.........Even though the axles are wide for a C...................
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:15pm |
the first one is a B, the second one is a C, the third and fourth pictures are of a B.
Move the last picture to the left and look at the rear cultivators. What you are seeing as the up mounted steering arm is part of the tree. Bob
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:27pm |
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if you look pic 1,2 and the last are the same tractor and it is a C, the 3rd pic, by looking at the front it is a B,
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:33pm |
Are not the adjustable wide front B front ends some what rare? Same with a wide front for a C?
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:47pm |
I'm agreeing with Dustin. Look closely at the first pic. The front axle is mounted out front. Look at third pic. Axle is mounted underneath, like most Bs I have run across. That steering arm in the 4th pic is definitely up, and you can see the rod running to the front, beside the hood. I can't figure out why it's wearing a set of 60 series cultivators, but I think they offered those for Cs without hydraulics. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, of course.
And IMHO, the reason why Bs and Cs are "common" tractors is the same reason WCs and WDs are "common" tractors. Because they are GOOD tractors! (I still wouldn't give more than $250.00 apeice for them, though)
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arkfisher
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:04pm |
Thanks for all the discussion guys. I didn't think this would spark such a debate, but I'm definately enjoying it.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:30pm |
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You will have to invest in a chain saw, worth the fun.. Don
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Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:38pm |
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That last C looks like it may have the heavy cast rear wheels that came with steel wheels. Those are hard to find.
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Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 5:47am |
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Scrap prices are up but no more than they would weigh and the price of freight he could give them to you and you wouldn't make much money.
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Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 6:49am |
I know where there are 2 C's in a junk yard with the heavy cast wheel .
Bottom line ,if you have time and nothing else to do and you enjoy that fact of just draging them home for fun and something to do . GO FOR IT.
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Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 7:10am |
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It looks like... to me... that there's enough good parts amidst the three, to build at LEAST two good tractors... and I wouldn't be surprised if there was enough to build three. Ignore the recovery effort and drive time, scrap prices and gas... you'll be in for plenty of wrench-work, a set of tires for each, and probably some motor rebuild parts, some crud/paint/rust removal, elbow grease, paint, lubricants and supplies, but they'll live again. Frankly, if you go through the trouble of extracting, assessing, and identifying 'em, you'd probably find two guys willing to take on one each as their own project, and have enough coin left to help you finance the restoration of one.
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