Question...what are these, and what are they worth
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Topic: Question...what are these, and what are they worth
Posted By: arkfisher
Subject: Question...what are these, and what are they worth
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:51am
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I was recently on a trip and ran across these tractors. They were just sitting in a fence row off of the road so I stopped and took a couple pictures... I left my information so the guy could call me and he got in touch with me last night. He said that he'd sell me the tractors...I just don't know what they might be worth.
There are 3 tractors total, however, I only saw 2 when I was there....I guess I had tunnel vision. One has a belly mower, one has cultivators, and the 3rd he said has a sickle mower. I think one is an AC maybe? I know that one has spoke wheels. Sheet metal looks good on them, but I'm not sure about the engines.
The man said that he bought them 7-8 years ago with hopes for restoring them, but he also bought 20 or so other tractors and has yet to turn a wrench on any of them. When he bought them, he said the engines were freed up, but I'm not sure now since they've been out in the weather like this.
The tractors are about a 5 hour drive from me...so I'm just wanting some opinions from you guys so I can decide if I'm going to make that trip to check things out closer. He will only sell them as a group...not individually. Oh, these are the only Allis tractors that he has.
Thanks in advance guys.
Richard
    ------------- D15 #3057 D17 #36222 F-12 Farmall #FS42332 |
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Posted By: Brad-MN
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:00am
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They look like B's or C's to me, I can never tell the difference between them without standing right next to a couple. ------------- 1930 U 1938 A 1941 WF |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:29am
| Big ? is ,Is it worth, your time to drive there ,then go back to get them ,how are you going to load them,haul them .What are you going to do with them .It's ALL about time and money .If you go a get them .then you have to know how much money in gas or fuel wear a tear on truck ,trailer etc. . Then if you part them are you going to make enoght to pay what it took to go get them .If you have time on your hands to play with them and not look to selling them ,you have to know .They are common found tractor's . |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:31am
| Just remeber TIME is MONEY !! rather it is a hobby or business. |
Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:49am
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it appears to be a model C with wide front. I would guess they are worth $200-$300 in the condition they are in.
the one with the brush on the hood is an adjustable wide front B. ------------- Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!! |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:51am
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They look like wide front C's to me. Not worth much exept for the wide front. ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:05am
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If I'm understanding right the guy has 20+ tractors ? I think I would see if he wants to sell any of the others and what there are before I jumped on these. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Chris/CT
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:19am
| Red flag; Selling only as a "Lot"? How does a seller justify that approach to a sale? Sounds like they will sit or end up in a metal dumpster. I would gently try to find out his/her reasoning for the selling as lot. Thinking now, auction platform would be desired for sale operation to rid all iron in one fell swoop. |
Posted By: Dave Richards (WV)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:40am
| Last Picture, WFE C. Got out my glasses and saw the steering arm. |
Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:46am
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The next to last pic looks like a one row tractor which would be a B, but it's hard to tell from these pics. Dave is right on the last pic. ------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:46am
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Bottom line in my opinion, with 5 hour trip I would offer $500. for the lot. If he says no, I would be polite and ask him to remember me and my number as I,m preparing to leave. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: arkfisher
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 11:46am
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He said he has several (20+) tractors that he bought up to work on and never did, but these are the only allis tractors. The only thing I would be out is time...don't have to worry about fuel getting there and back as I could pick them up while I am working....Just trying to get an idea of value.
I don't really see a red flag here...I talked with him at length last night...he bought these as a lot and wants to get rid of them the same way.
Money isn't really the idea with him. After visiting with him, I found out we are in the same industry... oil and gas and he's a consultant for one of the companies. I know that the consultants with our company make $1500/day. 3 weeks on, 1 week off.
I was thinking about 200$ each and I wouldn't get hurt on them, but he's asking a bit more.... ------------- D15 #3057 D17 #36222 F-12 Farmall #FS42332 |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 1:37pm
Steering arm pointed down equals B
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Dave Richards (WV) wrote:Posted By: SteveC(NS)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 2:50pm
| Butch, that arm pointing down at a rearward angle isn't a steering arm (with my glasses and my wife's) I can see the upward and slightly forward C steering arm as well as the wide track of the rear tires. And the 5 bolt hub would have to be a later model B wouldn't it. |
Posted By: Mike R. in Maine
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 3:09pm
| Butch I think they fooled ya, after cleaning up and blowing up the pic the arm is up and something is going down ? but not the steering arm. Mike |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 4:55pm
| First two look like C,s last two look like adjustable axle B,s . Look at front axle center mounts. |
Posted By: jminpa
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 5:15pm
So everyone can see the steering arm, and the first 2 and last picture look like they are of the same tractor being the C, and the third looks like a B Found this picture and it has the rod going down as well as up like the last picture does  |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 5:31pm
| The $200 each thing seems like a fair deal to me. You don't know if you even have a good transmission yet. Tractors sitting out side scare me, you don't know where water has gotten into or what has been frozen and cracked etc. |
Posted By: Tim in arkansas
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 7:56pm
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$200 for all three is fair price not knowing what you are going to get in to I should know with the 1940 I bought I think I stole that one for $200 ------------- Allis Chalmers fan from Arkansas |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:05pm
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Interestingly, that one with the "arm" up, is wearing a 60 series cultivator for the B..... .........Even though the axles are wide for a C................... |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:15pm
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the first one is a B, the second one is a C, the third and fourth pictures are of a B.
Move the last picture to the left and look at the rear cultivators. What you are seeing as the up mounted steering arm is part of the tree. Bob
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Posted By: dustinmo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:27pm
| if you look pic 1,2 and the last are the same tractor and it is a C, the 3rd pic, by looking at the front it is a B, |
Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:33pm
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Are not the adjustable wide front B front ends some what rare? Same with a wide front for a C?
------------- "Yet there are soulless men whose hand and brain tear down what time will never give again." Anderson M Scruggs |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 8:47pm
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I'm agreeing with Dustin. Look closely at the first pic. The front axle is mounted out front. Look at third pic. Axle is mounted underneath, like most Bs I have run across. That steering arm in the 4th pic is definitely up, and you can see the rod running to the front, beside the hood. I can't figure out why it's wearing a set of 60 series cultivators, but I think they offered those for Cs without hydraulics. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, of course.
And IMHO, the reason why Bs and Cs are "common" tractors is the same reason WCs and WDs are "common" tractors. Because they are GOOD tractors! (I still wouldn't give more than $250.00 apeice for them, though) ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: arkfisher
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:04pm
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Thanks for all the discussion guys. I didn't think this would spark such a debate, but I'm definately enjoying it.
R ------------- D15 #3057 D17 #36222 F-12 Farmall #FS42332 |
Posted By: donslick72@gmail.com
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:30pm
| You will have to invest in a chain saw, worth the fun.. Don |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:38pm
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That last C looks like it may have the heavy cast rear wheels that came with steel wheels. Those are hard to find. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 5:47am
| Scrap prices are up but no more than they would weigh and the price of freight he could give them to you and you wouldn't make much money. |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 6:49am
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I know where there are 2 C's in a junk yard with the heavy cast wheel . Bottom line ,if you have time and nothing else to do and you enjoy that fact of just draging them home for fun and something to do . GO FOR IT.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 7:10am
| It looks like... to me... that there's enough good parts amidst the three, to build at LEAST two good tractors... and I wouldn't be surprised if there was enough to build three. Ignore the recovery effort and drive time, scrap prices and gas... you'll be in for plenty of wrench-work, a set of tires for each, and probably some motor rebuild parts, some crud/paint/rust removal, elbow grease, paint, lubricants and supplies, but they'll live again. Frankly, if you go through the trouble of extracting, assessing, and identifying 'em, you'd probably find two guys willing to take on one each as their own project, and have enough coin left to help you finance the restoration of one. |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 9:34pm
Agreed :-D |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 11:13pm
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Well, you know we can only bash AGCO for so long before it becomes boring! LOL
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2011 at 1:31am
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They definitely have the makings of "Fence row to tractor show". I'd probably go $500 for the lot. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2011 at 11:03am
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Gentlemen, It looks like there is at least one B perhaps even more. I sincerely hope you consider restoring one B at least. Let me wish you the very best. As to the price listen to what is said above. Five hundred for the lot seems to be about the thought. In any event. Let us know what you do. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: beeman
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 11:09pm
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BUY THEM. They ARE Allis Chalmers,aren't they? Some folks still like the old orange tractors and try to save them ALL from a slow boat ride to China. ....... B and C tractors are probably the simplest and cheapest to restore too , IMHO. Go for it!! ------------- 1949 B 3930 Ford- Have owned other Orange ,green,red,yellow,dark green tractors and equipment. |
Posted By: Jacob (WI,ND)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2011 at 6:19pm
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Yes a B and a C. Just for the adventure and fun I'd give 500$ for the bunch. They look fairly complete and original. With out getting to look them over more carefully, I don't know if I'd go any higher. But this is only if you are looking for a project/projects. If you are looking to make a buck, there is really not much there that is "rare" or "desirable". With the possible exception of the wide front ends. But that depends on location, around here, you don't see to many of the wide fronts, so that is desirable to me. Get the chainsaw sharpened up and get after them! Keep us updated! ------------- Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
Posted By: arkfisher
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2011 at 6:32pm
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Thanks for all the input guys... I think I'm gonna make an offer on them, but don't think he'll take it. He told me that 7-8 years ago when he bought them... He paid 1000$ for all three, the belly mower, sickle mower, and cultivators... That's what he wants for them is 1000$. If scrap is 15$/100 weight they'll bring 250-300 as scrap I figure... Doubt he will part with them for less, but I'll try.
If any of you are in east tx or willing to drive, I can pass along the info to you. Richard ------------- D15 #3057 D17 #36222 F-12 Farmall #FS42332 |