Power Unit Help

Hello. I posted this same question on the Construction equipment section and they recommended that I come over to the farm equipment section. My question is does anyone what size this engine is, and any ideas where I might be able to get a manifold for it. It belongs to a guy I know. He uses it to operate his sawmill. It has a 4-17 cast into the block and also has the number AM2821-1 on a tag on the clutch housing. Thanks for any assistance you can offer.

Looks like something Norm Meinert might have.
http://www.normsactractors.com/
He could tell you where to look for the serial number too.

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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF

What is a repaired manifold.

Hi Rick. Welcome to the forum from another New Yorker. Where are you located? I'm in the middle of the state between Syracuse and Rochester in a town called Waterloo. Don Jr.

You're not too far away. It's only 100 miles from me to Watertown. If you are ever down my way, give me a call and stop over. My cell is 315-651-5177. Take care. Don Jr.

Wouldn't the cold air manifold that was used on LP be better for him than the one ment for kerosene? That is assuming he is going to run gasoline.

Thanks for the invite Don. I don't get out that way often, but I am planning a trip to Letchworth S.P. sometime soon. I don't have much of a collection to see. My toy is a 1917 Model T.

Wow - its great to see another one of these units. I use one to run a big John Deere feed mill - always a rush to fire that old engine up.

Not long ago I was also in search of some technical data on my unit. I figured out that it looked like the same engine on the model U tractor, but couldn't figure out whether I had the U-40 or U-318 power unit. Dale Haymaker of the Allis Chalmers Museum in Paris, IL provided me with the following information:

The difference between the U-40 and the U-318 is the U-40 engine was used in the U tractor serial # 7405-9988 and the U-318 engine was used in tractors serial # 12001 and up. U-40 has 300.7 CU and the U-318 has 318 CU. If it has an electric starter, chances are it is the U-318 but it was also an option on the U-40. The piston size on the U-40 is 4.375 and on the U-318 is 4.5.
The U tractors before serial # 7405 had a Continental engine in them with a piston size of 4.25 of which I do not think any power units were made.

From his input and looking at model U tractor engine info on tractordata.com, I concluded mine is a U-318, and I think yours is also, as it looks identical. Hope this is helpful...

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Rickm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Location: New York Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rickm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Power Unit Help Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 7:50pm
	Hello. I posted this same question on the Construction equipment section and they recommended that I come over to the farm equipment section. My question is does anyone what size this engine is, and any ideas where I might be able to get a manifold for it. It belongs to a guy I know. He uses it to operate his sawmill. It has a 4-17 cast into the block and also has the number AM2821-1 on a tag on the clutch housing. Thanks for any assistance you can offer.

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Fred in Pa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fred in Pa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 7:57pm
	IT's IS A U-40 PU 318 engine. Call me 717-451-6590 8 am to 9 pm . eastern time

CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:02pm
	Looks like something Norm Meinert might have. http://www.normsactractors.com/ He could tell you where to look for the serial number too.
	http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF

Fred in Pa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fred in Pa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:03pm
	How about a picture of the bad spot on your manifold.Why do you need another .If the air tube is burnt out you can replace the tube.

Fred in Pa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fred in Pa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:12pm
	What is a repaired manifold.

Rickm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Location: New York Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rickm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:37pm
	Wow! Nice job. I'll have to go back up to the sawmill to get a picture of the bad one. I haven't looked at it all that well. Maybe it can be fixed.

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	Hi Rick. Welcome to the forum from another New Yorker. Where are you located? I'm in the middle of the state between Syracuse and Rochester in a town called Waterloo. Don Jr.

Rickm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Location: New York Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rickm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 6:05am
	Don Jr, Thanks. Looks like I found the place for the answers I'm looking for. I'm located between Syracuse and Watertown in a town called Sandy Creek. It's a little north of Pulaski (AKA The snow belt off the eastern shore of lake Ontario.)

Don Jr NY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Waterloo NY Points: 341	Post Options Post Reply Quote Don Jr NY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 6:11am
	You're not too far away. It's only 100 miles from me to Watertown. If you are ever down my way, give me a call and stop over. My cell is 315-651-5177. Take care. Don Jr.

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	Don has a real nice collection, you ought to go visit him when you get a chance.

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	Wouldn't the cold air manifold that was used on LP be better for him than the one ment for kerosene? That is assuming he is going to run gasoline.

Rickm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Location: New York Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rickm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 8:28am
	We have only run Gasoline in it. I didn't know we could run kerosene in it, but have heard mention of this a couple of times now.

Rickm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Location: New York Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rickm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 8:37am
	Thanks for the invite Don. I don't get out that way often, but I am planning a trip to Letchworth S.P. sometime soon. I don't have much of a collection to see. My toy is a 1917 Model T.

Fred in Pa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fred in Pa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 9:10am
	Good, You flip the cover that the elbow bolts to to run Kero or Gas witch chances the exhaust flow away from the intake!

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	Wow - its great to see another one of these units. I use one to run a big John Deere feed mill - always a rush to fire that old engine up. Not long ago I was also in search of some technical data on my unit. I figured out that it looked like the same engine on the model U tractor, but couldn't figure out whether I had the U-40 or U-318 power unit. Dale Haymaker of the Allis Chalmers Museum in Paris, IL provided me with the following information: The difference between the U-40 and the U-318 is the U-40 engine was used in the U tractor serial # 7405-9988 and the U-318 engine was used in tractors serial # 12001 and up. U-40 has 300.7 CU and the U-318 has 318 CU. If it has an electric starter, chances are it is the U-318 but it was also an option on the U-40. The piston size on the U-40 is 4.375 and on the U-318 is 4.5. The U tractors before serial # 7405 had a Continental engine in them with a piston size of 4.25 of which I do not think any power units were made. From his input and looking at model U tractor engine info on tractordata.com, I concluded mine is a U-318, and I think yours is also, as it looks identical. Hope this is helpful...

Rickm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Location: New York Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rickm Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 6:44am
	After a nice talk on the phone with Fred the other night, we have decided to try to fix the manifold ourselves. Thanks Fred for taking the time to talk to me about this. Greatly appreciated.