Norm [IND] your a real class act!

When you do business on a public forum things like that could happen, sometimes you have to act fast although I know that is not always possible, and sometimes you need to keep those dealing on the down low.

Here is Smugglers original post advertising he had a few battery boxes for sale.

Hey guys, I apologize for all the ruccus I've caused over this tractor,but don't slam Norm because I could have said "wait" but, I had in the back of my mind Todd is in New York and Norm is about 30 miles from me so instead of thinking about it I said sold. So if anybody has a beef with anybody it should be with me not Norm. 

Yeah I have bid against friends from time to time at auctions, and we usually smile at each other and see who wants the item more....that is what auctions are all about...but I have to say that Norm has a knack for getting his 800 number into a lot of people's posts and I have often thought "now that was kinda rude"....some people will chase the almighty buck to the ends of the earth LOL!

Edited by Eldon (WA) - 20 Feb 2010 at 9:12pm

WOW! I am in the middle of reassembling the D-14 at Ted's and I figured i would hop on the allis page since i had my laptop here using his internet and drinking his beer LOL (thanks ted). I know i have met many people in this hobby, and many people i consider to be apart of what I would like to call the ACH Frat. I been through life with a handful of the people on this forum whom i have met at shows and also live locally and there are times when others may wrong us or "step on our toes" but what i am most thankful of is the fact that there is always a great level of understanding and forgiveness that is expressed. I had the pleasure to meet Norm Steinman when i was 15. He took me some getting used to due to the fact that he is soo straight forward. And what he may not take care, Barb (his better half) will. I have done business with him and although it has not been a lot i have grown fond of the scruffy ol goat! I am sorry Todd that you have the feelings that you do, but the way i look at it is i am only 27 and have been at this since i was 13. I have been blessed to meet some of the greatest people on earth because of this forum and even though i may have accidentally "screwed them" or "stepped on their toes" they have forgiven me. And in return i have learned that only in my 27 years on this big spinning globe that life is too short not to forgive and forget. I don't know how long you have been on this forum or how old you are. But what I have learned is to just "let go and let GOD" because as you have found you appear to be in the minority on this subject. I am not writing this to offend you or anyone else (and i am sure i did and someone will let me know) but when it all comes down to it. Even in the worst case we Allis men and women have a great bond and a very good thought pattern. If you want to find some crappy people go to any other brand and see how you get treated and make your judgement. Well time to get back to this D-14 and my now warm beer. LOL Have a great night guys.

Edited by Moderator - 21 Feb 2010 at 2:15pm

I agree with Todd.  Todd was doing the search, it wasn't an advertisment by the seller, Norm undercut him and the seller didn't give Todd a choice.  If it wasn't for Todd, Norm would have never known about the tractor.  So yes, Norm screwed Todd.  There ain't no other way to spin it, Todd got screwed.  Todd, shold have gotten first choice.  I have been in a few similar instances, and it has pissed me off no end.

First of all if your at an auction sale and you make a back door deal it's collusion and it is not only illegal but is as greasy as anything Norm did to you so before you start slandering people on a public forum you should go look in a mirror. If I'm at an auction sale and there is something I want or I feel something is too reasonable I bid regardless of who's on so Todd I certainly hope I am never at an auction sale your at because I would hate if you decided to run to this page and slander me. It's real nice when a lifetime of equipment is being sold at an estate auction and a few scumbags decide to collude to screw the estate. Just about as classy as following the obituaries to find out who's passed away and what widows antiques will be coming available. Some people should think before they start typing.

I've met Norm and bought things from him and every deal has been on the up and up.

A bunch of you guys need to leave Norm alone! No one screwed anybody! If Todd wanted the G, he should have bought it.  I just finished disassembling a bunch of parts from a CA for one of you guys on tjis forum and now can't get an email response. Nobody gets a break as far as I'm concerned. If Norm screwd some one, then I have been screwed at least a dozen time on this forum! Some of you don't do anything outside your circle. Dann

Dan if I had recieved the pics and a price I may have bought the G. Do you buy stuff without seeing it? Maybe you should buy parts from someone who supports the site and support those who support the site. Had alot of people say they have bought parts from him, some saying thousands of dollars worth. He has an 800 number that must mean he is making a living running a scrap yard. If this is true why doesn't he pay the $99 to help support the site????? I don't see many "circles" here, most try to help when they can where they can.

Todd, I think this thread has been a good one. If nothing else, it gives some of the rest of us a good idea who we may want to buy from and who we may not.  The two principles are obviously people I wouldn't want to deal with. But some of the other responses have been eyeopeners too!

Bob I would agree with you up to a point. I had requested pics and was waiting for them. How is that considered snoozing???

Todd says "Dan if I had recieved the pics and a price I may have bought the G. Do you buy stuff without seeing it?"

Mike NEIN wrote: Hey guys, I apologize for all the ruccus I've caused over this tractor,but don't slam Norm because I could have said "wait" but, I had in the back of my mind Todd is in New York and Norm is about 30 miles from me so instead of thinking about it I said sold. So if anybody has a beef with anybody it should be with me not Norm.

Mike said it all. Norm was simply placing a backup offer and Mike accepted. I would have called the first caller and given him an IMMEDIATE first right of refusal, but in the end I'd likely sold it to the cash in hand buyer as well. I certainly wouldn't have been out taking pics and swapping spit over a couple bucks in the price. In this kind of business cash talks and BS walks. I've been in Mike's and Norm's position before. The real truth is- if you want it, go for it or take a chance on losing. Heck, I've made telephone purchases from folks right here on this forum and showed up the next evening cash in hand, as agreed, only to find the item left the yard an hour earlier. I didn't like it and didn't think I was treated particularly well, but I certainly didn't burn any bridges over it. 

Yet another eyeopener!