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 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:10pm |
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Fred in Pa wrote:
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Explain why?
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I'm curious, also.
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Denis in MI
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Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:10pm |
Lonn wrote:
powertech84 wrote:
allis 7000, was supposed to be a revolution in tractor design but didn't deliver. |
7000 maybe but 7000 series no. I really can't see the 7000 as overrated though as I always heard since I was a kid that the maroon belly 7000 was just a glorified 200 so maybe overrated by the company but to me at least not by farmers. That's how I see it.
The 8N is an excellent choice for being overrated. |
My friend has a 7000 maroon belly that would be a pretty sweet little tractor if it had a diff lock, that is one of the only major flaws I see with that tractor design wise other than the cab being about impossible for a 6ft tall 300 lb guy to get into.
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morton(pa)
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Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:19pm |
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Gotta agree with the Cub and the Ford N's. I had to use one at a job I previously had and I HATED that thing. Just a big hunk of scrap metal! As for the cubs...over rated for under power. They still are, and always have been.
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Claus
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Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:54pm |
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I would say my Dad's John Deere 2010 but they were never hyped up, just big let downs.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:36am |
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Ford N. Best thing that ever happened to the N-series, was the Ferg TO-series. Harry at least recognized that agriculture was a diverse business with many challenges... Henry, on the other hand, had the attitude that 'one tractor fits all', and "if this doesn't work for you, you're doing it wrong". So much for the customer always being right, eh?
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:07am |
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:33am |
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:53am |
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Im with D17 Dave. My thoughts EXACTLY !!!!!!
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Ben (MI)
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:01am |
powertech84 wrote:
allis 7000, was supposed to be a revolution in tractor design but didn't deliver. |
I have owned 2 model 7000 tractors, I always believed they were a model 200 w/ updated sheet metal and cab. Please correct me if I'm wrong here. I had good luck with both and they made a lot of money for me. Just my $.02 worth. I remember reading in Mr. Swinford's book that the 7010 was going to be the big revolution but was too expensive to build when first designed.
Edited by Ben (MI) - 10 Jan 2011 at 7:09am
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:21am |
D-17_Dave wrote:
8n is a good choice, M or MT Deere was a rotten contraption. Anything under a 140 Farmall was just a big/slow lawn mower. Too many tractors to list as ones I'll never bother wasting my time on. Anything made overseas from europe is a waste due to parts and poor enginering. |
dave my dad said that the john deere MI with a wagner loader was a tuff little tractor(at olny 18 hp) but he did everything with that tractor befor he got a bobcat he said if you knew how to use the loader right you could just about any thing .But the stearing was another thing you can now turn the steraing wheel about a full turn befor the wheels start turning . I would post pictures of it but i cant figure out how to upload them from my camera.and i aregree that any smaller than a 140 in a slow lawn mowr but alot fo produce farmers still use then to cultivate. sorry fore the long post and the new compact john deeres are overated.
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JoeM(GA)
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:25am |
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now back in the late 30's and early 40's after walking behind a team of horses or mules all day I bet you'd have thought any of these were the greatest inventions of their day (which they all were) picking on them 60+ years later and comparing to more modern equipment does make them look lacking, but I think you have to get in to the 50's & 60's before promises out ran the tractor JMHO
BTW - I think my MF 135 is one of the best ever built in it's class! (at least it's AGCO!)
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:27am |
BrettPhillips wrote:
An Allis B or C will work a pre-1947 JD B into the ground in short order. Later ones with the pressed steel frame are a different story. Next on my list of worthless tractors would be the 9N Ford. A fair butt buggy, but not much of a tractor.
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If the pressed frame didn't break in half like many did but an uncle of mine, who was an AC man through and through, still had a soft spot for those B's. Didn't like driving the A's.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:27am |
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I think the 8N was an excellent "lawn Mower", and probably the best choice for the guy with one acre or so. Other than that I dunno!
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Don't worry about the mule going blind, just load the wagon.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 8:22am |
powertech84 wrote:
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8N has my vote. Ever tried doing ignition work on one? If you've ever had one, you are probably nodding right now. LOL! |
Ever tried doing ignition work the right way? You can take the whole assembly off with two bolts and do everything on your work bench. Not that i'm saying the 8n was a usefull tractor, i'd never waste money on one. Just thought we might as well stick to the facts a little. |
yep and another fact is that in 50 they changed to a side mounted dist.
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Gary in da UP
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 9:01am |
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Any Fordson or Ford before the Jubilee.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 10:15am |
I think the reason the Ford N's were/are popular was due to the 3 point system which allowed farmers to share expensive implements.Let's face it money was very,very tight after WWII.My 2N was a nice little tractor,did what I bought it for(needed 3point !) to borrow a cultivator.I'm all Orange now!
ALL tractors have there 'sore' spots, the infamous D-14 3rd gear popout is one example yet I own TWO of them !
As long as you don't overwork any tractor, I think it boils down to repair costs..parts availabilty,service.PS. I'm still waiting for the local AGCo dealer to call me back about my D-14 anti-surge spring(been 10 weeks today)(Sandy Lake Imp. sent me two of them 8 weeks ago !!)
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 1:37pm |
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hmm. I really don't know. I have a Farmall MD and I love the tractor. Don't like the transmission but the diesel has much more lugging power. A well tuned M runs great. The 8N was good for small jobs or tight spaces. Couldn't turn real short but its compact. Olivers aren't given enough credit some times. My pap's JD A runs beautifully and has quite a bit of power for a two cyl. It's really a hard call but I would probably have to say the JD 2010. It all depends on how the tractor runs. If it runs great, its hard to say its over rated. If it runs poorly or has something wrong with it, you can apply it to any make.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:19pm |
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I know my neighbor went from a 190XT to a Maroon 7000 and was disappointed. Both were bought new but maybe he expected more out of the 7000 running a Rhino offset disk and a large Heston Square Baler (One of those that just made large stacks of loose hay), he couldn't move the bales without considerable weight up front.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:21pm |
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Only used a 9N to rake with but it seemed OK, the foot controls took a bit to get used to. The 3 point was handy as heck I'm sure. Otherwise my neighbor ran it for 50 years with no problems.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:22pm |
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The M's i've driven were good and powerful, the H on the other hand was a dog.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:40pm |
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Someone finally mentioned the overweight, underpowered, clumsy Farmall H. Might be OK for tractor drives as long as you didn't try to pull anything behind it, and the hills weren't too steep.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:59pm |
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Speaking of Hs. The JD H had to be the biggest waste of green paint that there ever was. I've never heard of these little Hs being really hyped, but what a worthless little tractor!
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 3:22pm |
I agree with Ford N series being the most over rated followed closely by all of the off set Farmalls. All of the Cubs I've seen with belly mowers had a large Briggs&Stratton or some other similar engine to run the deck.
If you really want a decent tractor the size of an N, and better than an NAA, Find a Super 55 or 550 Oliver. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 3:24pm |
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4020 John Deere gets my vote,way over priced for there age!!!!
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 4:21pm |
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Reason I said 6080 ,I worked for a dealer over 15 years .They sold over 40 of these .After chasing just about everyone of them with the engine problem ,until AC found a so call fix.With many of them getting new engine blocks .Most guys had loaders on them around here they tore out the rears. Range trans was not set up the best for speeds.Low too low ,med was to close to low and high was just too high it seemed for these guys .Lots of hills around here .I just learned to hate the 6080 .You know what they say ,get a bad taste of something ,you know the rest of story.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 4:55pm |
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I only ran a 6080 once. The JD dealer loaned us a trade in to load up the bedding after the county fair. It had a cab and of course a loader with MFD. It just seemed slow and unresponsive compared to my IHC 2500 backhoe loader.
I agree the 2N and 9N tractors are over rated but the 8N was an improvement with more power, a 4 speed transmission and better brakes and operators station (foot pads).
The big selling point over everything else was the 3 point hitch. Our neighbors had some Fergusons from the late '40s early '50's which were better then the Ford with the two stage clutch and overhead valve engine. We had AC B's and C's back then and I had a lot easier time driving the Fergies.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 5:00pm |
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I agree for loader work the 6080 tranny was not the best. Used one for years to clean out chicken houses, Reverse was way fast in high and slow in anything else. Otherwise it performed good in the field cutting hay or tillage.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:11pm |
I owned an 8N and I suppose compared to a Fordson or a team of horses it might have been an improvement.
My dad always said a Farmall H would replace a team of horses, but not a GOOD team of horses. I had an H too, the flat top WC was a better tractor on the belt, pto or pulling, but the H had electric start & hydrualics and a faster road gear.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:35pm |
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Yep, that faster road gear is the only thing I see better on a Farmall than my D17.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:43pm |
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