Most overrated tractor.
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Topic: Most overrated tractor.
Posted By: Lonn
Subject: Most overrated tractor.
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:30pm
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I know my answer. I'd guess it's the same answer as 90% of people here. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
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Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:31pm
| DEERE |
Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:33pm
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Farmall cub ------------- 1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14 |
Posted By: AMB(wcIL)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:33pm
| I would say 4020 |
Posted By: Dave A
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:33pm
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Ford 8N ------------- Play the game for more than you can afford to lose... only then will you learn the game. Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:34pm
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I think Norm said it all!! ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 6:53pm
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Deere is a tractor brand. As far as a model I would say between the 9n and 8n Ford. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: beeman
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 7:18pm
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8N . Owned one and worked on a few others. They all just seem kinda weak to me. Just never saw what the big deal was.... ------------- 1949 B 3930 Ford- Have owned other Orange ,green,red,yellow,dark green tractors and equipment. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 7:20pm
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Hands down, 8n,
Leon B MO ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 7:24pm
| THOSE FORDS WERE AHEAD OF THERE TIME, JUST A 4 WHEELER OF THE 40'S. WEREN'T MUCH OF A FARM TRACTOR BUT NICE DRIVER AND GREAT FOR FIXING FENCE . I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DROVE MY NEIGHBORS M FARMALL TO GET THE HYD. FIXED AT ANOTHER NEIGHBOR PLACE YESTERDAY, AND GOT TO THIS HILL AND I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT OVER WITHOUT SHIFTING DOWN. I KNOW WITH MY WD OR WD45 I WOULDN'T ONCE THINK ABOUT SHIFTING DOWN ON THAT HILL. I'VE TAKEN THEM ON HILLS THAT BIG W/ A LOAD OF HAY IN HIGH GEAR & LISTEN TO THEM BARK. WOW I THOUGHT M'S HAD MORE THAN THAT. |
Posted By: Chris (swIA)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 7:25pm
| 8n hands down |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 7:42pm
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The steering of and 8N is hands down much better than the steering of a 2n or 9n. The 8N used a ball worm so it didn't kick but the 2N and 9N used bevel gears so the efficiency of kicking was very high. Like the model T steering with ordinary gears instead of work gears. But the whole family was weak and light, to puny for real work. Yet I made money when I sold my 8N. Sure was glad to see it gone. Gerald J. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 7:59pm
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Deere 4010. They never put out the claimed hp, and the engines were short-lived. There was no Power Director and they were a bear to shift. The radiator location also led to overheating if you had a tailwind. These defects were continued for a long, long time.
------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:06pm
| allis 7000, was supposed to be a revolution in tractor design but didn't deliver. |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:14pm
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Hate the 4020. Can't shift on the go and can't speed shift like the 190/200's |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:22pm
| 6080 |
Posted By: Josh(NE)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:28pm
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4010-4020 ------------- Allis Express '65 190XT, 37 B, '72 170, '83 8030, and the IH 560 was a mistake |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:31pm
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8N has my vote. Ever tried doing ignition work on one? If you've ever had one, you are probably nodding right now. LOL!
Another one I lump into the same category, and for pretty much the same reasons is the 135 MF. I was just never satisfied with the power, and had a lot of mechanical problems. Maybe it was just a bad apple? ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:41pm
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DREAM wrote:Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:44pm
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My answer is the New Deneration Deere's. Oops, I'm mean Generation. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:51pm
Explain why? |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:52pm
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I dunno. I grew up on 160 acres and the only tractor we had was an 8N. It sure did everything we asked it to.
I guess when you don't know any better, it sure seems better than the alternative.
I always thought the John Deere B was the most overrated tractor I knew of, but heck, as is pointed out above, I have no idea what I'm talking about! LOL
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Posted By: OrangePowerGA
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:55pm
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2N, 8N, 9N Ford ------------- AC - WD JD - 650 |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 8:55pm
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8N. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 9:03pm
| An Allis B or C will work a pre-1947 JD B into the ground in short order. Later ones with the pressed steel frame are a different story. Next on my list of worthless tractors would be the 9N Ford. A fair butt buggy, but not much of a tractor. |
Posted By: acdave63
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 9:12pm
| any 2 cylinder deere |
Posted By: JM
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 9:17pm
| n series, M farmall, anything green. My grandpa always said Deere was the most over rated, over priced and under powered tractor there was. But they had the best marketing force ever. |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 9:19pm
| I never cared for the John Deere 4630.........rear ends were weak and you couldnt stay in the field two hours without getting fuel |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 10:47pm
The 8N is an excellent choice for being overrated. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:07pm
| 8n is a good choice, M or MT Deere was a rotten contraption. Anything under a 140 Farmall was just a big/slow lawn mower. Too many tractors to list as ones I'll never bother wasting my time on. Anything made overseas from europe is a waste due to parts and poor enginering. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:10pm
I'm curious, also. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Denis in MI
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:10pm
My friend has a 7000 maroon belly that would be a pretty sweet little tractor if it had a diff lock, that is one of the only major flaws I see with that tractor design wise other than the cab being about impossible for a 6ft tall 300 lb guy to get into. ------------- 1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14 |
Posted By: morton(pa)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:19pm
| Gotta agree with the Cub and the Ford N's. I had to use one at a job I previously had and I HATED that thing. Just a big hunk of scrap metal! As for the cubs...over rated for under power. They still are, and always have been. |
Posted By: Claus
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2011 at 11:54pm
| I would say my Dad's John Deere 2010 but they were never hyped up, just big let downs. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:36am
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Ford N. Best thing that ever happened to the N-series, was the Ferg TO-series. Harry at least recognized that agriculture was a diverse business with many challenges... Henry, on the other hand, had the attitude that 'one tractor fits all', and "if this doesn't work for you, you're doing it wrong". So much for the customer always being right, eh? |
Posted By: tractorkid1
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:07am
| XT 190 |
Posted By: Good
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:33am
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4020 ------------- B212,716,two 314H's,WC,WD,D19,190XT |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:53am
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Im with D17 Dave. My thoughts EXACTLY !!!!!! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Ben (MI)
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:01am
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Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:21am
dave my dad said that the john deere MI with a wagner loader was a tuff little tractor(at olny 18 hp) but he did everything with that tractor befor he got a bobcat he said if you knew how to use the loader right you could just about any thing .But the stearing was another thing you can now turn the steraing wheel about a full turn befor the wheels start turning . I would post pictures of it but i cant figure out how to upload them from my camera.and i aregree that any smaller than a 140 in a slow lawn mowr but alot fo produce farmers still use then to cultivate. sorry fore the long post and the new compact john deeres are overated. ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:25am
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now back in the late 30's and early 40's after walking behind a team of horses or mules all day I bet you'd have thought any of these were the greatest inventions of their day (which they all were) picking on them 60+ years later and comparing to more modern equipment does make them look lacking, but I think you have to get in to the 50's & 60's before promises out ran the tractor JMHO BTW - I think my MF 135 is one of the best ever built in it's class! (at least it's AGCO!) ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:27am
If the pressed frame didn't break in half like many did but an uncle of mine, who was an AC man through and through, still had a soft spot for those B's. Didn't like driving the A's. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Toneman1
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 7:27am
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I think the 8N was an excellent "lawn Mower", and probably the best choice for the guy with one acre or so. Other than that I dunno! ------------- Don't worry about the mule going blind, just load the wagon. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 8:22am
yep and another fact is that in 50 they changed to a side mounted dist.
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Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 9:01am
| Any Fordson or Ford before the Jubilee. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 10:15am
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I think the reason the Ford N's were/are popular was due to the 3 point system which allowed farmers to share expensive implements.Let's face it money was very,very tight after WWII.My 2N was a nice little tractor,did what I bought it for(needed 3point !) to borrow a cultivator.I'm all Orange now!
ALL tractors have there 'sore' spots, the infamous D-14 3rd gear popout is one example yet I own TWO of them !
As long as you don't overwork any tractor, I think it boils down to repair costs..parts availabilty,service.PS. I'm still waiting for the local AGCo dealer to call me back about my D-14 anti-surge spring(been 10 weeks today)(Sandy Lake Imp. sent me two of them 8 weeks ago !!) ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 1:37pm
| hmm. I really don't know. I have a Farmall MD and I love the tractor. Don't like the transmission but the diesel has much more lugging power. A well tuned M runs great. The 8N was good for small jobs or tight spaces. Couldn't turn real short but its compact. Olivers aren't given enough credit some times. My pap's JD A runs beautifully and has quite a bit of power for a two cyl. It's really a hard call but I would probably have to say the JD 2010. It all depends on how the tractor runs. If it runs great, its hard to say its over rated. If it runs poorly or has something wrong with it, you can apply it to any make. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:19pm
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I know my neighbor went from a 190XT to a Maroon 7000 and was disappointed. Both were bought new but maybe he expected more out of the 7000 running a Rhino offset disk and a large Heston Square Baler (One of those that just made large stacks of loose hay), he couldn't move the bales without considerable weight up front. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:21pm
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Only used a 9N to rake with but it seemed OK, the foot controls took a bit to get used to. The 3 point was handy as heck I'm sure. Otherwise my neighbor ran it for 50 years with no problems. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:22pm
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The M's i've driven were good and powerful, the H on the other hand was a dog. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:40pm
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Someone finally mentioned the overweight, underpowered, clumsy Farmall H. Might be OK for tractor drives as long as you didn't try to pull anything behind it, and the hills weren't too steep. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Kip-Utah
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 2:59pm
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Speaking of Hs. The JD H had to be the biggest waste of green paint that there ever was. I've never heard of these little Hs being really hyped, but what a worthless little tractor! ------------- HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 3:22pm
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I agree with Ford N series being the most over rated followed closely by all of the off set Farmalls. All of the Cubs I've seen with belly mowers had a large Briggs&Stratton or some other similar engine to run the deck.
If you really want a decent tractor the size of an N, and better than an NAA, Find a Super 55 or 550 Oliver. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: RSponenberg
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 3:24pm
| 4020 John Deere gets my vote,way over priced for there age!!!! |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 4:21pm
| Reason I said 6080 ,I worked for a dealer over 15 years .They sold over 40 of these .After chasing just about everyone of them with the engine problem ,until AC found a so call fix.With many of them getting new engine blocks .Most guys had loaders on them around here they tore out the rears. Range trans was not set up the best for speeds.Low too low ,med was to close to low and high was just too high it seemed for these guys .Lots of hills around here .I just learned to hate the 6080 .You know what they say ,get a bad taste of something ,you know the rest of story. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 4:55pm
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I only ran a 6080 once. The JD dealer loaned us a trade in to load up the bedding after the county fair. It had a cab and of course a loader with MFD. It just seemed slow and unresponsive compared to my IHC 2500 backhoe loader. I agree the 2N and 9N tractors are over rated but the 8N was an improvement with more power, a 4 speed transmission and better brakes and operators station (foot pads). The big selling point over everything else was the 3 point hitch. Our neighbors had some Fergusons from the late '40s early '50's which were better then the Ford with the two stage clutch and overhead valve engine. We had AC B's and C's back then and I had a lot easier time driving the Fergies. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 5:00pm
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I agree for loader work the 6080 tranny was not the best. Used one for years to clean out chicken houses, Reverse was way fast in high and slow in anything else. Otherwise it performed good in the field cutting hay or tillage.
------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:11pm
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I owned an 8N and I suppose compared to a Fordson or a team of horses it might have been an improvement.
My dad always said a Farmall H would replace a team of horses, but not a GOOD team of horses. I had an H too, the flat top WC was a better tractor on the belt, pto or pulling, but the H had electric start & hydrualics and a faster road gear.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:35pm
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Yep, that faster road gear is the only thing I see better on a Farmall than my D17. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Tricky Dickie
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:43pm
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Has to be the Field Marshal!
Tricky Dickie
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Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 6:51pm
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Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 8:05pm
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Around here the only tractor that has ever been called the worst is a 7010 we bought new. It left here with less than 2000 hrs on it and I now have a 200 that will out work that 7010 any day doing any job. 7010 burned fuel, would not start when hot and didn't start as cold as the 200 does. Cab was a little bit hard to see out of. If you want to really get my Dad pissed off just mention you were looking at a 7010 that was for sale. I only would do this if I did not want him to talk to me for at least three days.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 8:16pm
Sounds like you had a lemon. 7010 is a sought after tractor. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 8:30pm
| My vote is on the 4440 Deere. They are over priced compared to similar sized tractors of the same age. |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2011 at 8:48pm
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OK, you guys are right about the ignition thing. Guess I don't know enough about them to realize when they went to dist. Looking back, I now know I could have pulled the mag out and took it to the shop to work on, but it would have been A LOT of trips back and forth from the pastures to the shop. LOL! I never knew exactly what was wrong with it. Every piece of the mag had been replaced, including the casing.(used) I always kept a set of points, condenser, etc. in the tool box. Also kept sandpaper, emory board, and carb cleaner(when the electrical was working right, the carb. would usually screw up within 30 to 45 minutes. LOL!) Maybe I shouldn't complain, but it sure was hard to get anything done with it. Oh, forgot to mention, it also had a FEL with an oversized bucket for cleaning out chicken houses. That made working on it even more fun, and the armstrong steering was great! I was just a dumb kid back then. Now, I would probably be able to get a little more out of it(maybe). Maybe one day i'll give it another try. It's still sitting over at my cousins place in the very chicken house it used to clean out. Sorry for the long post. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |