model A at auction

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   there was an auction up my way near Petworth, Surrey, UK and there were a few different tractors for sale including a Field Marshall 3A that made £14,000 and a done up Allis Chalmers Model A. it looked very nice and straight. it drove really smoothly but had the wrong top tank on the rad (it had a 20-35 one) with an inch and abit spacer under it lol and it had a made up manifold that actually looked quite convincing. also the engine oil was milky.....are these engines known for that????
anyway it did not sell. £20,000 he called then £15k and then dropped to £10k but no one bid and he did not go any lower.....so the buyers were just not there

just thought id let you all know

regards
Lewis

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lewis_tudor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Location: Guildford, UK Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote lewis_tudor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: model A at auction Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:22pm
	there was an auction up my way near Petworth, Surrey, UK and there were a few different tractors for sale including a Field Marshall 3A that made £14,000 and a done up Allis Chalmers Model A. it looked very nice and straight. it drove really smoothly but had the wrong top tank on the rad (it had a 20-35 one) with an inch and abit spacer under it lol and it had a made up manifold that actually looked quite convincing. also the engine oil was milky.....are these engines known for that???? anyway it did not sell. £20,000 he called then £15k and then dropped to £10k but no one bid and he did not go any lower.....so the buyers were just not there just thought id let you all know regards Lewis

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everett048 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: uk Points: 619	Post Options Post Reply Quote everett048 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 1:50am
	Hi Lewis that A was imported from Canada a few years ago by Stan Kick it was restored by Peter Nugent who couldnt find the correct header tank for it he also made the manifold for it,Peter sold it to Metcalf steam valves for 16000 it had a cracking paint job and new tyres all round i have since seen the wheels on my mates A but didnt know what happened to the tractor as for milky oil its more than likely its the sleeve seals leaking,Peter never ran it for long as he said the home made manifold used to ice up.

Tricky Dickie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Location: North Yorkshire Points: 186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tricky Dickie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 5:00am
	Yes, that's right! I also know that A and it is an imported petrol model which has a number of incorrect features and faults, masked by an excellent paint job. I looked at it some years ago and noticed the water in the oil at that time, but did not point it out to the owner, as he is a very nice guy - I just declined to bid on the tractor. Certainly I would not have offerred anything near to the (in my opinion recklessly unrealistic) £16k price at which it changed hands some years ago and I suspect that it will have lost a pile of money for someone when it eventually finds a new home. Tricky Dickie

lewis_tudor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Location: Guildford, UK Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote lewis_tudor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 6:08am
	hello guys! ah didnt realise it was one of Stan's i know him well okay tell me more about the sleeve seals??? lol so do you think it was Metcalf who was selling it? the fella who was starting and driving it also had other more modern tractors for sale there Lewis

Tricky Dickie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Location: North Yorkshire Points: 186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tricky Dickie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 8:03am
	Lewis, When I looked at it, the A belonged to Peter Nugent before he got that irresistable (and crazy) £16k offer. I have since seen it in a couple of sales, now fitted with different rear wheels and looking a little "tired" but it never gets near to being sold. I heard that Peter had eventually taken it back for a much lower price, but that was only idle gossip and I really do not know who owns it now. There are much better A's around and I can wait. Tricky Dickie

lewis_tudor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Location: Guildford, UK Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote lewis_tudor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 4:01pm
	fair enough Richard! could anyone tell me more about the sleeve seals? are they at the bottom of the bore or in the water jacket i have no idea? is it repairable? Lewis

everett048 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: uk Points: 619	Post Options Post Reply Quote everett048 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 4:24pm
	Hi Lewis they are simple remove heads pistons pull sleeves clean up block fit new o rings to sleeves and refit,the wheels off of that tractor are on Will Wood wards A both A,S where owned by metcalf steam valves before he passed away he made 1 correct A out of 2 i was told this by his son Richard at the Dorset steam fair i was introduced by Will Woodward to him, the A that will has with the black wheels used to belong to Richards father .

lewis_tudor Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Location: Guildford, UK Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote lewis_tudor Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 4:46pm
	okay thanks Mark or is this Dave lol? i take it they are huge O rings and Norm sells them? is this quite a common thing to go wrong then? i see, sorry but i never got the man's name who was selling it :S Lewis

everett048 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: uk Points: 619	Post Options Post Reply Quote everett048 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 5:05pm
	Lewis yes Norm sells them, normally if a wet block leaks it is the o rings unless sleeves r cracked.

Tricky Dickie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Location: North Yorkshire Points: 186	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tricky Dickie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2010 at 4:15am
	I realise that this will horrify the purist engineers here, but I have in the past, successfully used K-Seal on a Case 500 with leaking liner seals. That was 10 years ago and I sold the tractor some time back, but recently saw it and checked the oil - perfectly black and clear of any water contamination! It's worth a try if the engine is otherwise good and the water leak past the seals is only slight. If it does not do the trick, then obviously the liners have to be pulled and the O-rings replaced, but in my view that is best done as part of a full rebuild. Tricky Dickie