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Hi guys, I have been finally working the old girl and she does do pretty well in dirt to light rock, the old three bar slick pads do slip but not any more than the trans does.  I want to remove some trees, the old monster just doesn't have the bite nor the trans to do it, am I asking too much of the machine?  Should I be looking to a direct drive or at least a heavier shuttle shift dozer for a tag team effort? 
Rolling off the track last Sunday was pretty rough on the old gal, she was trying to work but I pushed a little too hard.

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DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Maybe too much to ask Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 6:21am
	Hi guys, I have been finally working the old girl and she does do pretty well in dirt to light rock, the old three bar slick pads do slip but not any more than the trans does. I want to remove some trees, the old monster just doesn't have the bite nor the trans to do it, am I asking too much of the machine? Should I be looking to a direct drive or at least a heavier shuttle shift dozer for a tag team effort? Rolling off the track last Sunday was pretty rough on the old gal, she was trying to work but I pushed a little too hard.

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Dozer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Location: SW New York Points: 689	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dozer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 7:36am
	I was able to do great things with my HD5G when I pit full grousers on it. Perhaps you could bolt angle iron to your semi grousers.

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 9:17am
	I have been looking to add rebar weld ons as suggested by coke-in-mn but am a little skittish of the old trans. I don't have low reverse already, and it seems to want to slip with any load against it if the rails don't slip in low forward.

Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 9:57am
	It's learning how much push and where , it will do a lot of work and move a lot of trees but the fact you might have to dig around tree and break up roots first . Leverage is the key. Look at a few of those pictures posted by the guys down under and see the A frame they have mounted on their machines for land clearing. They can push on trunk at a higher point while keeping a lot of track on the ground. I used my HD4 for land clearing but will say for straight push the HD5G did better. Using the HD5B dozer did not work well at all but my FD5 will work after i use blade corner to break up roots on 3 sides of tree. Might try making a ripper shank to attach to bucket to break up roots first and then do the pushing.
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Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 10:03am

	Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 1:21pm
	That's where I have been with the 7G, working the sides of the stumps breaking up the feeder roots to get the trees unstable but it tends to want to hang up and slip on the root wads. I am learning and working at it. The last cedar had up to a foot deep of cut around it, still broke the stump off when I pushed on the trunk with bucket up. That 11 sure looks like a work horse. Edited by DMiller - 27 Nov 2012 at 1:22pm

Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 2:24pm
	I took out full trees with the HD5G up to couple feet in diameter but with a lot of grubbing . Trees about 1 ft or less across the trunk that were cut off at 4 fit high take some pushing from several sides . Found the backhoe first and then the HD5 worked good
	Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 9:33am
	Coke, you said at one time you added rebar to the shoes on your crawler, what size did you end up using, I have access to some old 1/2, 5/8 and some 3/4 stock, rusty but still pretty much full dimension. Did you use 7018 to attach it, I have access to end of shelf life rods thru work, they pitch them by the bucket full at times.

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 9:36am
	I am still considering a little heavier direct drive unit, gent has a HD11 in Camdenton MO with a similar tree spear on it for $4800, I need to get down to take a look at it, is a full hydraulic unit. http://loz.craigslist.org/for/3392776242.html That way I can use the 7G for cleanup.

TREVMAN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Regina,Sask,Can Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote TREVMAN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 10:43am
	An old 11 like that is a nice beast for around the farm, it doesn't look too bad. Tracks look a little loose, but the man is honest in his advertisement and sounds like you could take it for a try, good luck, Trev.

michale34 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Location: arkansas Points: 472	Post Options Post Reply Quote michale34 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 11:13am
	my dad had an 11 like that the only difference i see his had the steering clutch leavers on the dash and he did a LOT of clearing with it . my dads brother bought 2 hd11b just like the one for sale in 1959 brand new and they were good machines one burned up in a woods fire and the other one went to the sale after it was pretty well worn out.

TREVMAN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Regina,Sask,Can Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote TREVMAN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 5:50pm
	There is an 11 similar to the one you are contemplating in my neck of the woods here, asking price is $8500. Says engine rebuilt 1000 hours ago. Just to give you some perspective on the one your thinkin about, seems like a fair place to start on the negotiation, Trev.

Lazyts Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Manitoba Points: 627	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lazyts Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 9:40pm
	DMiller- I know of a couple of HD11 tractors close to your neck of the woods that could probably be picked up pretty reasonably. One is an old HD11B, probably late 50s, and the other is an HD11E, about 1963, with hydraulic tilt. Both need TLC, but both run. The guy has an old HD11B with no dozer as well, just has cable control unit, and another HD11E half torn down. PM me if you want more info.

Coke-in-MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41217	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coke-in-MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 11:32pm
	I used 5/8 - #5 bar- and used 7024 drag rod . I clamped the bar onto track using a vice grip clamp - 2 bars to each pad - then welded a short bead at each end on one side, then welded the full length of bar on one side, I did 3 pads in from and 3 pads in back. > I then rotated track forward 3 pads and did it again. Soon the pads came around and needed welding on the opposite side so just kept welding each one until the track was complete. 7018 would work also but the 7024 laid a flat bead and as it was a v notch almost i was filling I used a larger rod and higher heat and filled the area with one pass.
	Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Nov 2012 at 5:08am
	Thanks Coke, I will look into the 7024 rod, sounds a better plan. We used those in barge hulls when replacing the bottom sheets welding between the inner bottom and true bottom while scooting along on a creeper.

HD6 Merv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Points: 476	Post Options Post Reply Quote HD6 Merv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2012 at 1:35am
	Track shops have proper shaped and bevelled relug grouser bar in different size hights. Would ask about these first. I got some of this bar when i relugged my worn D4 grousers, worked great and really added some performance to it. cant remember the cost, but it wasnt much, came in 10ft lenghts. That dzr is a early HD11B, late 50s vintage by the long steering levers, Buda engine, unless updated. Were a good machine and it looks tidy and price seems fair.
	tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29651	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Dec 2012 at 4:21am
	Thanks Merv, should be looking to test it in two weeks if it doesn't sell from under me. I was going the rebar route as I have access to a ton of it in scrap metal my Brother In Law collected some years ago, has all sort odd length standing in the V-notch of a tree at his house so it is the right price! Edited by DMiller - 01 Dec 2012 at 4:22am