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ISO 12v starter for AC WD45

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    Posted: 09 Jul 2018 at 9:23pm
Hey all,

My starter is going out on my 1957 AC WD45. It's been converted to a 12v system but I believe the starter may still be 6v. It's gone out recently and I have to knock it in order to start it. Any ideas where I can find a reasonable 12v start for this beast? Thanks.
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Take it to a local auto electric shop.  They can rebuild it and rewire it to run on 12 volts.  I have done that with mine and they work great.
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I see what your saying and wanting to convert it all too 12. But id take it to a reliable starter repair guy and see if they can convert or just rebuild the it to 6 volt and it should last
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will work on 12v just fine as a 6v starter.  thousands out there working that way
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Brian,
Welcome! And we need pictures !:)
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I can rebuild it to 12V if interested. Drop us a line, or give us a call...
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I'll get pictures uploaded as soon as I can. The starter still works but I have to tap on it to get it to turn over. Could I just rebuild it as a 6v? Or is there a kit to make it a 12v?
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I won't change 6 volts to 12,,,,,,,,,,,, they work fine that way, and besides that they spin a "leeetle" faster, which I like on a cold day!     
I took my first one to my electric rebuilder and he told me all about it............
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I have used  6v starters when changing to 12v on all brands from 1967. turns better and  starter lasts longer . I do that on all the puller engines i build wc wd wd45 . if you have old spring type drive change to closed type
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6 or 12, I'd rather get rid of the old slide switch mechanism and covert it to a stud/solenoid.
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each to their own.my 45 has been on 12V since 1981.Pulled starter a few yrs ago figuring brushes would b cooked. ...nope
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please explain difference in drives, have several spring drives on bench broken
where do you get the closed type drive. picture would be great if possible
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any starter repair shop .has 10 tooth and a rubber drive at back of unit to replace the spring . I have used them for years
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Originally posted by BrianJones BrianJones wrote:

Hey all,

 It's gone out recently and I have to knock it in order to start it.


Maybe you should take the switch off and file the contacts flat so they make good contact.
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My CA has been 12v for at least 20 years. It finally quit starting, but it wasn't a melted wire/armature/brush wear problem. Two of the springs that push the brush against the commutator broke. The brushes were worn so I got a brush/spring kit and decided to get 12v fields for it.
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Brian, if it needs a rebuild you might as well go to 12V, but a 6V will work just fine. Steve in NJ is tops for anything electrical for these old tractors as well as carburetors. BTW welcome to the Forum. What part of Georgia are you located?
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My D14  starter used to grind almost every time I tried to start it when I went to 12v.  I finally took it to a local shop here and he converted it to a 12v starter.  Engages right every time and starts it right up in one or two turnovers every time  unless I forget to turn on the gas!!
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I'd say that servicing the bendix had more to do with fixing the grinding problem than converting the starter to 12 volts, John.
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Sounds like it needs to be cleaned and new brushes installed.




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If that be the  case, it's odd that two did the exact same thing.  The old starter and a new(rebuilt) one.
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When you apply 12V's through 6V field coils, it tends to make the Starter motor violent. This can lead to cracked nose cones, damaged ring gears or broken drives. Converting a 6V Starter to 12V's with a 12V Battery on board, makes the Starter last twice over, has a nice smooth engagement, and getting rid of the mechanical switch and moving to a Starter relay and key crank start Ignition switch brings that 40's Tractor into the 80's along with a loooong service life. Lottsa' pluses....  HTH
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Thank you everyone for the information and advice.   I think I'll just rebuild it. Steve, is there a 12 volt kit online anywhere?    

Also, I have pictures of it on my phone now. I'll try and get them uploaded. She's a beaut.    
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I don't offer a kit myself. I rebuild the whole unit including rewinding the Armature. Be careful of "kits" for Starters and Generators and such. In most cases, you don't get the correct parts! When you tear down a unit like I do, and go through top to bottom, there's no room for error. Take out old worn parts, and install top quality parts and mate all components and there is no problems and long service life. On 12V Starter conversions I loose the mechanical switch and install a HD relay. Install a nice HD key crank start ignition switch and its a done deal....
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I'm trying to figure out how to upload images for you guys but it says the data file even for one photo is too large.  
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