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HudCo
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Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 9:02pm |
where would the price of food be in five years if no herbicides or pesticied or no more hybred seeds ? or what about quanity or quality in volumes enough to feed people or livestock
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Scott B
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There'd be some hungry folks around.....
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plummerscarin
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I believe it would be in the same range as organic stores now.
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DMiller
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Have to consider that yields would also decrease as weeds took over in fields removing nutrients so a 200 b/a corn may only develop 140, a 140 b/a less than 100, for soy may be back to the days of 18-20 b/a, hardly worth planting or harvesting in some conditions. So essentially prices would have to double just to pay the fuel costs and machine maintenance, would be hit with dock at the elevators for infiltrated weed seeds where loss would have to be made up for.
City folks would be hard pressed to find enough money to eat. Edited by DMiller - 29 Mar 2019 at 6:31am |
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cabinhollow
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1/3 of the people, " A lot of people are going to get hungry. "
2/3 of the people, " Banned them all. We buy our food from the story. What does a farmer has to do with it. " |
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DMiller
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Not that IS Funny cabinhollow!! Follows with that too fat to be smart failed Governor of Ga MS. Abrams that stated that very sentence!! If she stopped pushing food in that pie hole and get off her fat tard butt she might find there is another life out there she has never imagined.
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nella(Pa)
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I believe yields would drop about 75% in my area. When you miss a strip in a field the yield drops way down when the weeds take over. If you don't believe me buy a farm and try it. It would not take five years for the food supply to run out!
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Tbone95
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Just curious if you mean hybrid or GMO? Not that it matters to the point really, but very different things.
As nella said, would not take 5 years! In the second year, there would be kicking and screaming! Even if the US were the only country to adopt this!
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DMiller
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Should the US not be able to use herbicides and crop yields become so reduced how will the Tards feed all those third world Hate the US azzholes? I can see the first of World Famines and disease from the dying running wild killing off Billions of humans.
Edited by DMiller - 29 Mar 2019 at 8:16am |
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It will solve overpopulation.
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Self correcting at that point, including those that resort to cannibalism.
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Mostly dark meat out there.
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HudCo
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i have to agree with all of the above statments
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HudCo
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there would be no more certified weed free hay for these horse people to feed there horse before or when they are in designated wilderness areas so the horses would have to be kicked off those areas i bet there are a lot more trickle down affects
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It would fast become " Horse, it's what for supper " |
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There wouldn't be a 2billion bushel extra corn carry over like there is this year.
With hemp coming into play it will kill all the weeds, provide fiber, protein and oil. Leave the ground clean for next year's crop. Ya know Hitler didn't want any chemicals on the motherland. Planted hemp in the center of the field one year and used it for a border around the other crop the next year. At the same time America started growing it again for the war effort, even though it had been taxed into the ground years earlier, they had to make it legal again because no crop could replace it. Permaculture and regenerative farming would take a big chunk of chemfarming's place. |
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SURE SELL ALOT OF GRAIN CLEANERS
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Lars(wi)
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To certain point, it is a conversation worth having. There is no disagreement that in the last 20-30 years the basic 'feedstuffs' of what humans ingest has changed drastic than in 200-300 years previous. Our genetics have so altered in the corn, wheat, soybeans, etc., many millions of people are having increased challenges digesting what is eaten. Ever wonder when a 'bug resistent(sp) hybrid' is developed what that really means? That means the insect cant digest that plant because the genetics of that plant have been altered, dontcha think a few humans may then have the same issue? Increased yields are all well and good, but we then spend billions on herbicides, insecticides, increased healthcare for people, just so he have a bit more basic boring food to eat to save the farmer from getting on that cultivator and cultivating 2-3 times per year?
The basic point I am trying to make is, our food is changing faster than the human body can adapt too. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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ac fleet
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Around here no-body would even plant without chems./gmo/hybrid seed/etc, so it would take 1 year for starvation to take place. Land would grow up in weeds, govt. would take over ownership of the land and become another Soviet Union. ----Nuff said?
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Lars(wi)
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ac fleet, that may be a bit extreme, what was grown on the land 50 yr ago? 25 yr ago? I am not advocating using nothing. I do question what is being done to our health by some (not all) 'advancements'.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Ray54
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Woo from ending the world as we know it, to making AOC's dream turn it the nightmare she cannot comprehend.
Many of you must be very sick minded people,cause my brain had me going the same way before I read your comments. In all seriousness I have never got into no till. But see the soil savings from using less tillage which would go away with the elimination of chemical weed control. We of this community have a far better understanding of what it takes to grow food than the general population and see how world changing little changes would be,but how do you explain it to those with no knowledge ? Never saw the good in dictators or socialism, but Moo in China had one idea that I liked. He sent the bigshot that ticked him off out to the country to work. That would be a great thing if ALL ELECTED idjits had grow a crop before they could pass a new law. The lack of basic survival skills has never been lower in the governing people than today. Edited by Ray54 - 30 Mar 2019 at 12:59pm |
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For the first time you will see 24 and 30 row cultivators but it will be easier for the next generation with auto steer.🙄
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...and new solar, robot weeders, ha.
No one addressed the point I made about this years surplus, or the fact we grow more than we can sell, cheaper than it cost to grow it if you had to pay yourself a fair wage. There are good ways to grow food without chemicals. https://mainstreetproject.org/ Chickens kill bugs and weeds, trees don't need to be planted every year. |
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Lars(wi)
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30" cultivators have been around as long as there have been 30" corn planters
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Return of the occasional "iron worm" infestation.
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The carryover is only on paper in govt. officials desk. Grain can't be stored for 10 years without going bad. ---The guys down the road here can't even store his for one season without problems! ---- The so called carryover is a govt. tactic to keep the grain prices low.
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DMiller
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Lawdy say it ain't so!!! No Guvmint entity would Lie to us would they!!!
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HudCo
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how much less farm land will there be in five years and how many more people ? can yeilds really go down ?
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