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Topic: if everyone quit spraying where would the price o
Posted By: HudCo
Subject: if everyone quit spraying where would the price o
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 9:02pm
| where would the price of food be in five years if no herbicides or pesticied or no more hybred seeds ? or what about quanity or quality in volumes enough to feed people or livestock |
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Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 9:10pm
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There'd be some hungry folks around..... ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 9:12pm
| I believe it would be in the same range as organic stores now. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 6:30am
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Have to consider that yields would also decrease as weeds took over in fields removing nutrients so a 200 b/a corn may only develop 140, a 140 b/a less than 100, for soy may be back to the days of 18-20 b/a, hardly worth planting or harvesting in some conditions. So essentially prices would have to double just to pay the fuel costs and machine maintenance, would be hit with dock at the elevators for infiltrated weed seeds where loss would have to be made up for. City folks would be hard pressed to find enough money to eat. |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 6:54am
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1/3 of the people, " A lot of people are going to get hungry. " 2/3 of the people, " Banned them all. We buy our food from the story. What does a farmer has to do with it. " |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 7:06am
| Not that IS Funny cabinhollow!! Follows with that too fat to be smart failed Governor of Ga MS. Abrams that stated that very sentence!! If she stopped pushing food in that pie hole and get off her fat tard butt she might find there is another life out there she has never imagined. |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 7:44am
I believe yields would drop about 75% in my area. When you miss a strip in a field the yield drops way down when the weeds take over. If you don't believe me buy a farm and try it. It would not take five years for the food supply to run out!
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HudCo wrote:Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 8:03am
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Just curious if you mean hybrid or GMO? Not that it matters to the point really, but very different things. As nella said, would not take 5 years! In the second year, there would be kicking and screaming! Even if the US were the only country to adopt this!
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 8:14am
| Should the US not be able to use herbicides and crop yields become so reduced how will the Tards feed all those third world Hate the US azzholes? I can see the first of World Famines and disease from the dying running wild killing off Billions of humans. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 8:16am
| It will solve overpopulation. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 10:09am
| Self correcting at that point, including those that resort to cannibalism. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 10:36am
Mostly dark meat out there.  ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 7:05pm
| i have to agree with all of the above statments |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 7:09pm
| there would be no more certified weed free hay for these horse people to feed there horse before or when they are in designated wilderness areas so the horses would have to be kicked off those areas i bet there are a lot more trickle down affects |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 7:40pm
It would fast become " Horse, it's what for supper " |
Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 10:21pm
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There wouldn't be a 2billion bushel extra corn carry over like there is this year. With hemp coming into play it will kill all the weeds, provide fiber, protein and oil. Leave the ground clean for next year's crop. Ya know Hitler didn't want any chemicals on the motherland. Planted hemp in the center of the field one year and used it for a border around the other crop the next year. At the same time America started growing it again for the war effort, even though it had been taxed into the ground years earlier, they had to make it legal again because no crop could replace it. Permaculture and regenerative farming would take a big chunk of chemfarming's place. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 6:51am
| SURE SELL ALOT OF GRAIN CLEANERS |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 8:35am
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To certain point, it is a conversation worth having. There is no disagreement that in the last 20-30 years the basic 'feedstuffs' of what humans ingest has changed drastic than in 200-300 years previous. Our genetics have so altered in the corn, wheat, soybeans, etc., many millions of people are having increased challenges digesting what is eaten. Ever wonder when a 'bug resistent(sp) hybrid' is developed what that really means? That means the insect cant digest that plant because the genetics of that plant have been altered, dontcha think a few humans may then have the same issue? Increased yields are all well and good, but we then spend billions on herbicides, insecticides, increased healthcare for people, just so he have a bit more basic boring food to eat to save the farmer from getting on that cultivator and cultivating 2-3 times per year? The basic point I am trying to make is, our food is changing faster than the human body can adapt too. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 11:47am
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Around here no-body would even plant without chems./gmo/hybrid seed/etc, so it would take 1 year for starvation to take place. Land would grow up in weeds, govt. would take over ownership of the land and become another Soviet Union. ----Nuff said? ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 12:03pm
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ac fleet, that may be a bit extreme, what was grown on the land 50 yr ago? 25 yr ago? I am not advocating using nothing. I do question what is being done to our health by some (not all) 'advancements'. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 12:37pm
Woo from ending the world as we know it, to making AOC's dream turn it the nightmare she cannot  comprehend.Many of you must be very sick minded people ,cause my brain had me going the same way  before I read your comments.In all seriousness I have never got into no till. But see the soil savings from using less tillage which would go away with the elimination of chemical weed control. We of this community have a far better understanding of what it takes to grow food than the general population and see how world changing little changes would be,but how do you explain it to those with no knowledge ?Never saw the good in dictators or socialism, but Moo in China had one idea that I liked. He sent the bigshot that ticked him off out to the country to work. That would be a great thing if ALL ELECTED idjits had grow a crop before they could pass a new law. The lack of basic survival skills has never been lower in the governing people than today. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 3:55pm
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For the first time you will see 24 and 30 row cultivators but it will be easier for the next generation with auto steer.🙄 ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 4:08pm
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...and new solar, robot weeders, ha. No one addressed the point I made about this years surplus, or the fact we grow more than we can sell, cheaper than it cost to grow it if you had to pay yourself a fair wage. There are good ways to grow food without chemicals. https://mainstreetproject.org/" rel="nofollow - https://mainstreetproject.org/ Chickens kill bugs and weeds, trees don't need to be planted every year. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 5:22pm
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30" cultivators have been around as long as there have been 30" corn planters ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 6:14pm
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Return of the occasional "iron worm" infestation.
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Posted By: lentsch
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 7:04pm
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Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 9:00am
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The carryover is only on paper in govt. officials desk. Grain can't be stored for 10 years without going bad. ---The guys down the road here can't even store his for one season without problems! ---- The so called carryover is a govt. tactic to keep the grain prices low. ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: lentsch
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 9:51am
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 10:15am
| Lawdy say it ain't so!!! No Guvmint entity would Lie to us would they!!! |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 10:45am
| how much less farm land will there be in five years and how many more people ? can yeilds really go down ? |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 11:19am
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Takes a lot of chickens on a 20 acre plot to kill the bugs and eat the weeds, let alone the care and protection of them. Maybe it's something for Thendrix to look into?
------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 11:48am
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[/QUOTE] I always wonder where this 2 billion bushels is. Every year "they" (USDA) tells us we have huge carryover. If we have say a 1 or 2 billion bushel carryover per year for the last 10 years-then shouldn't we have 10 to 20 billion bushels stored somewhere? I wonder where that is or am I looking at this all wrong?[/QUOTE] Yes, you are looking at it wrong. Start the year with 2 billion bu carryover, grow 10 billion bu, use 10.5 billion bu and you have a carryover of 1.5 billion bu from that year, to the next year. Here is another way of looking at it. If you have a 10% surplus, that means you only have a 35 day surplus of corn on hand for the next year. And what if that year is like the one in the late 1800's, that did not have a summer, due to a volcano. |
Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 9:22pm
Yes, if I remember right they used 700 chickens per 1/4 acre. Lots of food per acre. Mass grazed in three sections. When they are moved to a new section seeds are spread on the old section so they will be sprouted when they come back to it. Sprouts have more nutrition than seeds and are easier to digest. The corn or other crop provides a canopy to protect them from above. The coop protects them at night. Elderberries and asparigus around the edges for a hedge/fence/crop. |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 1:57am
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Well that would be something to see, sounds feasible. My luck the chickens would all want steak and potatoes. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 7:31am
Really?! |
Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 5:04pm
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You'll have to throw them some leftover scraps from the local nursing home. I only have 2 chickens but they eat better than me. Chickens are a great way to use leftovers from stores and restraunts. My buddy comes home with his pickup loaded from a trip into town. Pastrys and freshish vegy and fruit. Also a good time to mention the midwest is gearing up to be a big hazelnut producer. 80% of our hazelnuts come from Turkey. 20% from the west coast. Mark Shepard has crossed the west coast commercial hazels with our midwest wild ones. Has been stunning them for years. Sustained Total Utter Neglect. Droughts, coldest winters etc. Selecting which ones can handle it and produce the biggest, mostest the earliest. And has come up with some durable and productive bushes. Genetics are constantly being improved. While Rockefellers are planting 10s of thousands of them on the east coast, the midwest has been doing the same. Who gets the first processing plant built? We'll see. 3 years until the first small crop. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 6:16pm
| Flooding from NE thru Northern MO and SW IA is affecting a great deal of bottom land as to planting season. A great deal of stored grains have been ruined in those bottoms as well. Spoke to a number of grain handlers where the planting season Northern MO is at a halt as rains continue to drive thru each week, never gets dry enough to get on the fields. We could see a limited Midwest crops run this season if ANY crop out. Then have to figure there is so much contracted for the Corn gas before the planting even begins. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 7:09pm
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A bit about first herbicides and impact on corn. http://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/pests_03.html" rel="nofollow - http://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/pests_03.html |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 2:01am
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I have never had a hazelnut in my life, can't imagine life without them. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 5:55am
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I was hoping that since China has banned all imports of Canola from Canada ( that's 40-50% of all crops..), that all the farmers would plant sugar beets. I know it's easy to grow in the wife's garden. Aside from animal feed, it can be use for sugar and more importantly as a DEICER ro replace the (*(*^&^&*(^$^ salt 'they' love to toss onto the rods up here. Beets are 100% effective and enviromentally SAFE. No destroy the concrete bridges, kill fishes, creates jobs.... sigh.... maybe I need to take off my 'beet' coloured glasses....? Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 10:52am
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I hear they have been using beet juice inside tires for weight too,.. instead of the corrosive stuff. If it gets a leak it probably looks like your tire is bleeding  That is one bad point about permaculture crops like Hazelnuts. Years before they produce,.. then I suppose a flood could kill them and you'd have to start all over again. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 10:55am
Yes, for years. But actually it's quite black, and rather sticky.... ....and it doesn't corrode the rims, rather it eats valve stems. Last year, when the right rear of my 7045 found a chisel plow shank in a new to me field, they put in "corn juice" because they told me the "beet juice" ate valve stems and this stuff wouldn't.
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 2:38pm
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What will they think of next for using corn, just like soy a million and one uses, and that's a good thing. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 3:35pm
| Weeds are simply plants that man has not figured out how to make them into something beneficial to us. Some day these things might cure cancer. I said might. Yes I spray and cultivate just like we did 50 years ago so no need to holler at me. |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 9:30pm
| the price would go wherever the retailers want it to go. there is enough profit made to absorb the change, but they will be unwilling to do that. the producer is the one that suffers. there is $.05 of wheat in a loaf of bread they sell for $2. even if the wheat cost quadrupled it should not affect the price of bread, but yet it would because food cost is determined by processors, not what the farmer sells grain for. |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 5:54am
| I remember in high school being told the American Farmer feeds the world! Well I now know the world feeds itself . Sure some countries buy a lot of grain from us because they have to to keep their people fed and avoid revolution against their government. There are no famines like I remember in Africa or Asia. People that starve today are the result of powers that be wanting them to starve as a means of control! I personally believe that taking chemicals and GMO crops out of farming would bring a shortage for awhile and people would have to adapt. You would see less disposable income devoted to buying things and more to gardens and canning. Old ways of living would come back once people realized that they had to produce their own food. Of course there would be mass upheaval in society. Once that was worked out by the haves and have not's society would adapt. Humans are very adaptable! Our species has adapted for many thousands of years! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2019 at 2:17pm
Man Tom, now you got my hopes up! If a use is discovered for pig weed, I’ll be richer than bill gates!!!!!
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