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    Posted: 05 Mar 2011 at 9:05am
Found this on Pulloff, whats a guy to do? I live in IL, does this mean I can't go through IA without getting this done, or does my crooked state have this too and just haven't heard the news yet. Thoughts gentlemen??
 
Just to remind everyone in Iowa new DOT law goes in effect July 1. Every vehicle with GVW over 10,001 lbs must have US DOT numbers. New law went in effect Jan 1 2010 but only warnings given until July 2011. This even includes heavy 1 ton pickups. Must have Farm/Business name and number just like Semi. You will go through safety audit after you get your number. I wouldn"t wait till last minute on this because lines could get long. This is INTRASTATE so is required whether crossing state lines or not.
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I believe the legislature is working on, or already passed a bill to exempt farm use and possibly some others.  Google Iowa Farm Bureau, that is where I was reading about it.
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Is it GVW or GVWR?
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It is all about bringing in more money not safety as they claim. Is seems funny to me when every time they try more regulations with fines it actually causes the states to bring in less money over all.  When it doesn't bring in more money they just figure out more regulations thinking it will this time. Same old circle.  When the money is about to run out the people vote in more slugs that have in their heads that the past slugs didn't try hard enough. Bad ideas don't work regardless of the thinking of the next slug.
Ends up being the silent majority's fault for not getting involved.
 
I met one of the fellows that I used to pull with last evening in Cracker Barrel that went to pull in at least three different states all summer long. Because of the crap did not leave his own state the last coupla years. I quit pulling altogether. I bought tractors all over in many states and quit tagging my big trailer.
 
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1 ton truck are now commercial and also you must have a annual DOT inspection sticker if your pulling a trailer over 10,001. Also if you have a bottle of propane or your torch bottles in your truck be sure you have placards on truck.
 Also do not forget you need a health card . that is the NEW Fee Generator , lack of health card, and the DOT inspection sticker and papers.
 Bulk fuel tanks also are another area where rules come in as to size of tank and tank markings , you may need a has-mat endorsement also depending on amount and chemical or other content.


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There is a deciding factor in that. Are you "Private" or "Commercial"? If you're a farmer, they're going to say you're commercial. If you're hauling a tractor to a pull or show where you can win prize money, have a sponsor helping to pay any expenses involved, going to do work for hire, showcasing your restoration skills to "advertise" you're available to restore tractors for others, going to receive any sort of compensation, your truck is registered to something like  "John Doe Farms" or any other sort of business entity, you're commercial.
If you're just "John Doe" hauling a tractor to a show or dragging one home simply because you collect them as a hobby, not going to use them in a business, you're private and the stricter laws don't apply. These are examples the DOT gave me when I asked.
Another one is if your trailer has 3000 lbs rated capacity or higher, it MUST have working brakes on all road wheels.


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I thiink it is long overdue. I hope other states adopt this as well. It is a safety issue watching pickups with trailers weighing up to 30k or more running a regular license. There was an article in an insurance paper I get from my semi insurance company about this, and how safety was becoming a huge issue with pickups and trailers. Dot numbers are free to get, very small cost in getting a magnetic sign for pickup door that can be taken off when not in use. If you get a dot number, then get an icc number and not pay tax on next trailer purchase.
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All the regulation in the world does keep stupid people from being stupid. It is like saying gun laws keep people safe from criminals. First it will be the "free DOT" number followed by higher registration fees.
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I've been here before, my Ford SD250 is GVWR at 10,000+, my trailer is 13000+, I have 24000# Mo BL plates so I can haul anywhere in state without issue; HOWEVER, if I go to Illinois I must have a DOT number, the registered name sign and a inspection or they will issue a ticket as it is not a "Farm" tag on the truck, has to be "FARM" licensed or you do not get a free pass; also requires at least a B CDL per the 'interpretation' I was given with a health card.

This crap is getting ridiculous, they want us all to stop hauling for ourselves and are making it too difficult to do so intentionally.
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Wi has this for over a year now. Just more money out of the working mans pocket that all.
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DMiller,  and anybody else. This is not an attack by any means! I feel that many of these rules are the offshoot of too many beurocrats at too many desks with too much free time to dream up this crap! As most of youhave said and we all pretty much agree, these rules have very little to do with safety! I know my tractors cost a lot(as defined by how much ready cash in my pocket), for me to get to the point of loading on a trailer for a show. Enough in fact, along with sentimental factors, that I for one sure won't be driving on a road stupidly and too fast to risk damage from an accident! This leaves one of two reasons for the laws. #1. Revenue enhancement  #2 Job justification. Generally no. 1 is obvious, but no. 2 probably is more reliable as a reason, for the simple fact that it is geared to enhance no. 1 How do we rid ourselves of stupid rules nos. 1 &2? Contact any legislators that will listen, and seek means of drawing down the monies available for these valuable government employees to sit on their collective butts and dream up this crap! Hmmm, By Jove, two dead birds with one stone, less laws, and fiscal responsibility!! Imagine that!
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That's one of the reasons that I have gone RV on my rig. The only restriction is that I can not do anything that would be construed as commercial, but then I don't do that anyway.
 
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   Hey John, your using an enclosed trailer. Is the trailer licensed as an RV ? Will they allow an open trailer ? How long is your truck and trailer ? Just curious.

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The day that people running diesel pushers have to run under DOT regs is the day I'll agree with you.  Regulations do not make things safer, they just fine the unsafe
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AC _browsers, it's in IL. also. Contact your local DOT rep. and he'll fill you in. Our local farm bureau had another meeting tue. night to help explain the rules.
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Originally posted by Dipstick In Dipstick In wrote:

1 How do we rid ourselves of stupid rules nos. 1 &2? Contact any legislators that will listen
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    Went to Kossuth county FB DOT meeting last week. If for hirer, a 1/2ton pickup and trailer over 10001 (door tag and trailer axle) are the same as an 18 wheel semi. My understanding is if you are hauling for your bussiness, you need the CDL license and DOT numbers. If you are hauling your Iowa owned race car up to Fairmont or Jackson ("Just to mess around") , you are doing it to make money and the DOT can come after you. If you are hauling a tractor (3/4 ton and gooseneck) inside 150 miles rad. of your farm to a show, then you only need a farm license. If you are going to sell the tractor at the show then you need the DOT license and numbers.
    With an Iowa farm license, one can haul grain 150's from their farm and ??? MAYBE ??? 30 miles in Minnesota ,Illinois. and Missouri. Nebraska is forbidden.  My semi doesn't need a DOT number as long as it stays just for my farm use. This is my understanding of our laws as of last week. The officer told us that the laws can and will change at anytime. Good luck with this.
    I also asked what is the biggest fine the DOT has ever handed out? $85,000.00 A wind tower tube tried to cut into Iowa for just a few miles without premits.
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Originally posted by Rfdeere Rfdeere wrote:

   Hey John, your using an enclosed trailer. Is the trailer licensed as an RV ? Will they allow an open trailer ? How long is your truck and trailer ? Just curious.
The truck and trailer are both RVs. I pull a 14K flatbed tag trailer also, no different than pulling a car trailer behind a motorhome. The whole rig is 58 feet long, I know that because my shed is 56 feet long and I have to unhook the trailer to close the door! DUH
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Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

   
    With an Iowa farm license, one can haul grain 150's from their farm and ??? MAYBE ??? 30 miles in Minnesota ,Illinois. and Missouri. Nebraska is forbidden.  My semi doesn't need a DOT number as long as it stays just for my farm use. This is my understanding of our laws as of last week. The officer told us that the laws can and will change at anytime. Good luck with this.
   
Those laws have been modified. If you are hauling grain that will ultimately be shipped out of state (Interstate Commerce) you must have DOT numbers and UCR (Uniform Commercial Registration). All other farm rules still apply and the rule also includes pickup trucks pulling farm wagons. If your grain will not leave the state, is being delivered direct to a processor, the DOT and UCR rules do not apply. If you deliver with a tractor and wagons you are home free.
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Originally posted by John (C-IL) John (C-IL) wrote:

Originally posted by Rfdeere Rfdeere wrote:

   Hey John, your using an enclosed trailer. Is the trailer licensed as an RV ? Will they allow an open trailer ? How long is your truck and trailer ? Just curious.
The truck and trailer are both RVs. I pull a 14K flatbed tag trailer also, no different than pulling a car trailer behind a motorhome. The whole rig is 58 feet long, I know that because my shed is 56 feet long and I have to unhook the trailer to close the door! DUH
 
   I wonder if you could get away with a 53' open drop deck behind a truck like yours ? How Long is just the truck ?
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Later on this year I plan on renting a car hauler (U-Haul) to put behind my pickup and load my Ferguson onto it.  Moving it through Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas and Tennessee from the farm to my home so I can restore it.  I assume I'm good to go as far as the reg's go but I could also be in la la land.
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Originally posted by Rfdeere Rfdeere wrote:

Originally posted by John (C-IL) John (C-IL) wrote:

Originally posted by Rfdeere Rfdeere wrote:

   Hey John, your using an enclosed trailer. Is the trailer licensed as an RV ? Will they allow an open trailer ? How long is your truck and trailer ? Just curious.
The truck and trailer are both RVs. I pull a 14K flatbed tag trailer also, no different than pulling a car trailer behind a motorhome. The whole rig is 58 feet long, I know that because my shed is 56 feet long and I have to unhook the trailer to close the door! DUH
 
   I wonder if you could get away with a 53' open drop deck behind a truck like yours ? How Long is just the truck ?
I had a 40 foot gooseneck hooked to it once, I was 74 feet long and hit every curb and ditch in sight! LOL
 
A 53' dropdeck is a commercial trailer and I don't want to have the appearance of being commercial, I'm close enough the way it is. The truck is about 28 feet long from bumper to bumper, it handles as well as a 243" wheel base can but I do have to pay attention to tight places I can get into.


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Just the thought of all those super sized RV's out there towing there cars. Driven by 90 year old folks that are half blind. AND legal gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
 
i just went through the process of registering DOT for my trucks. It was realativly painless. It's best to comply.
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RfDeere, we're pretty lucky here in the Hoosier. I asked the Indiana DOT at the State Fair a year ago about pulling two trailers with my truck. I told them I had triples endorsement on my CDL. They told me there was no limit on how many pieces that you could put together, just don't go over 75 feet. At that time there was no requirement for a CDL for us to haul our trailers, even when over 10000 lbs. If you are commercial, that was a different story;;;;; CDL, dot no., dot physical, etc., etc. Who knows what rules have changed by now, and we probably need to check stuff before this summer,fer sure! I know that my son who manages Bane Implement at I-65 and US 24 was busted over by Wabash on the way to get an auger for a grain cart. Company truck, no dot no. no cdl,no physical, etc,etc. one hour and 45 minutes while the young newby dot ossifer looked through his training manual for anything else he could drum up. Over 300 dollars in demerits later he said "Have a nice day". My son is nicer than his daddy, cause I'd surely have said something about then!! 
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Used to wrench in a general garage, so many old couples with RVs, air brakes, commercial diesels, towing massive trailers or cars on trailers and no thought as to having to have a special license.  They would drive until they couldn't take any more miles then stop for the night, oh to have a log of time to miles so they could catch hell as truckers do.

If it were up to me, anyone towing a trailer, albeit tongue or 5th wheel camper or a load of freight would have to have a towing license or CDL.  I have had a commercial license since 1975, I have to take specialized tests, I had to pass a rigorous road test and had to show proficiency with the machine plus do minor repairs to get it out of the line of fire when it broke, needs to be the same for these people.

I am going to get signage for mine, then I am going to apply for DOT number as I may need to cross into Ia , Ar, Ks,or Il to get machines/materials and cannot afford the tickets.
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If you get a DOT number you're stating that you are definitely commercial. That's what the Ia DOT told me.
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Originally posted by Stan IL&TN Stan IL&TN wrote:

Later on this year I plan on renting a car hauler (U-Haul) to put behind my pickup and load my Ferguson onto it.  Moving it through Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas and Tennessee from the farm to my home so I can restore it.  I assume I'm good to go as far as the reg's go but I could also be in la la land.

Don't tell U-Haul that you are going tractor on their car hauler, they have rules against that, and how big your towing rig needs to be.

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Never mention tractor to U-Haul.
 
On the car hauler - say it's an Escort, or a Prizm or some other tiny lightweight car.  When I used their 6x12 open trailer for B's, it was always "mulch".
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Thanks Dusty and Glenn,
I looked over the requirements they have and did not see any thing that would prohibit a tractor but I think they only reference cars/trucks because they have the weights of those and not tractors.  But the point is well taken.  I'm hauling a 1956 Ferguson, I mean 1996 Ford............Escort.
 
I think the weight of that Escort is about 3200-3500lbs so it's well within the rating of my truck and hitch.  I also believe the car hauler has surge brakes on it.  I'll have the operators manual with me showing weight of tractor just in case I was to be stopped along the way. 
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