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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Jacob (WI,ND) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1247 |
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Not a bad start for finding a tractor, and welcome to the site!
Like others said, the serial number will date the year of the tractor, located here: because of the curved shift lever, it is either a very late WD or more likely a WD45. Like others have suggested, try to get some air in the tires (much easer to roll that way and easer on the tires if they are salvageable) carefully tow it to the shop, and start tearing it apart. You have nothing to loose at this point but some time. Take lots of pictures as you take things apart, and notes. It makes putting things back together much easer. Don't force the engine to turn over if its stuck. You will only wreck more parts. Tear it apart and find the original problems first. Just some other observations: You have a nice rear bullet light on the left fender, be careful not to break that. I see the right half of your throttle quadrant is broke off. The rear weights are a plus too, everyone is looking for them. What is bolted to the rear lift arms? I can see two "straps" going down to the ground.
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Jacob Swanson
1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Hey Pete, I'm in Bangor right on the Delaware river.
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Sorry for the crazy amount of pics but I posted whatever I had. The website thought I was spamming the forum because of all the pics. HAHA.
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4987 |
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Looks like a magneto on right side photo. WD45's use a mag? I am not an expert on those earlier tractors, but I would have thought a 45 to be new enough to have a point/distributor/coil ignition system. My point is I guess, that it may have an older WD engine in it anyway.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Pa.Pete ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 2010 Points: 239 |
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We are about as far apart as Pa. gets. Good luck with your new project, these old tractors are alot of fun.
Pete
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5870 |
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Welcome!
Okay, first- some observations: Magneto... Don't think that was a WD-45 part, but could have been changed. I like magnetos... and I'm sure I'm not alone. Does the engine block have a big flat steel plate on one side? If so, the engine is a WC or WD, not a WD-45. Rear end has lift arms- that means WD or later. Glove on seat means your left hand is cold. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you have a mix-match of componentry... that's not unusual for a working loader-tractor. Prior to moving it, I have some suggestions: 1) Pull all the wheel weights. Unbolt them. I'd say... once unbolted, pull 'em far enough to the sides so they'll be out-of-the-way. At that point, make sure they're well-marked, so you don't hit 'em with a mower or something. Don't drag 'em out of the woods- instead, plan on goin' to get 'em with the tractor once you get it back in operation. 2) Put a big catch-pan under the transmission, and pull the tranny drain plugs. Most likely, exposure has defeated the shifter boot, and water has filled the transmission... and right now, it's probably ice. You'll want several warm days to get it all thawed out, otherwise you'll break something trying to pull it out. Once you're sure it's all thawed and drained, refill with oil. 3) Cut some 2x4's, or something else to stick around the loader's lift cylinders. Take a farm jack and some long prybars, also a ratchet-strap or two. Ratchet-strap the hydraulic valves to the 'drop' position (might take some experimenting), and then jack up the bucket high enough so that you can stick the prop-rods in, and hold the bucket up. If the cylinders simply won't move, you'll need to pull one of the cylinder pins, and swing it up and block it. 4) Saw out any tree limbs, etc., saplings, etc, that may be in the way. 5) Strap the steering wheel in the 'straight ahead' position. Take a portable compressor down and pump up the tires. Front tires will probably be unhappy... the rears don't look too bad, so they might be fine, or hopefully at least hold air well enough to get by 'till later. Hopefully you're lucky. 6) Introduce yourselves to your neighbors, and find one with an equal sized tractor with a 3-point hitch. Have the neighbor hook on, lift with the 3-point, and pull the Allis out of the forest, and roll it into your driveway, in a convenient spot to unhook the loader. Unhook loader, then have neighbor push the Allis into the shop. Next, either buy a set of 'car roller' casters for the front end, or make some out of 2x4's and strong casters. The rears won't be so easy, but can be made with lumber and bigger casters, so you can move it around in the shop without making a big investment in tires. You NEED to be able to scoot it around without dumping your operating budget in rubber. Another way to do it, is to find a set of serviceable tires and slap'em on so it's at least towable. As far as everything else goes, I think what I would do, is cut the time-losses and immediately look around for a good-running WC/WD/WD45 or Gleanor E motor, and put it in. Once running, assess the driveline condition, solve any major problems there, get it running/driveable, then chain and drag the weights up to the shop, get 'em mounted. Mount up the loader, get it working (probably hydraulic lines, fluid, mebbie some seals and cylinder TLC), and then put it back to work. Once you have a functioning loader, then decide what to do about the current engine. They're not hard to rebuild, as long as the block hasn't been all cracked-up, it'll be a nice winter project in a warm, well lighted shop. Edited by DaveKamp - 20 Feb 2011 at 1:30pm |
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5870 |
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Btw, Sagar-
I was just in Bangor about two months ago... There's an antique steam and gas engine club right there... I met a bunch of the steam-heads, but there's a pretty good crew of spark-ignition fellers there too - look 'em up, I'll bet you can find a guy or two that'd help 'ya with the extraction and assessment process. They go by the name Blue Mountain Antique Steam and Gas Engine Society... technically they're in 'Jacktown'... http://www.jacktown.com/ Edited by DaveKamp - 20 Feb 2011 at 1:36pm |
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alan-nj ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: oxford, nj Points: 847 |
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hey, you're not very far from me. about 13 miles from my house to the jacktown grove. i'm a member there. nice find. if you've got any questions, let me know. i'd be glad to stop over. alan
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18880 |
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Welcome and "git er done".You'll be proud of yourself and your accomplishment. I didn't see anyone mention to you that "there are NO dumb questions" on this site, just some of the answers. LOL You'll get the best help you can find ANYWHERE right here. Believe me, I know. I just got mine last fall and the guys are a real help! One of the BEST things that I saw mentioned was to TAKE PICTURES every step of the way. It'll really help when you start to put it back together. Again, WELCOME and have fun rebuilding, Ted from Wisconsin
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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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It looked like the shifter boot was intact in the pics. It can still get water from condensation though. If the tires are flat you might try airing them up. I don't know if I'd go through the trouble of pulling them off. Depending on your area, they might not be there when you return. Pull it up to the shop and dig in...
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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Dipstick In ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Remington, In. Points: 8602 |
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A WD 45 with loader on it has a street value of 12-1800 dollars depending. So if you have to put money in it to get it running throw those numbers in the hopper when figuring what it's worth to you. As has been said, that tractor would be very valuable around your place year in year out! Think shoveling 1-2 feet of snow when it would push it, or carrying/pushing brush and firewood. The reasons for getting it running are almost endless and if you have it available you'll come up with an endless list!!!!!! Dipstick In Joe
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You don't really have to be smart if you know who is!
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dannyraddatz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Plainfield, Ill Points: 848 |
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Couldn't help but post a few pictures, hope your tractor work goes as well as mine did. Two years and loving every minute I have spent on this project!
Danny
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![]() The day I bought the WD45, February, 15, 2009.
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Danny Raddatz
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5870 |
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Hmmm... Brian's got a good point- you may be in a location where someone snooping through might try to snag your wheel weights for 'remarketing'... I assumed (foolishly) that it was in an area that was safely out-of-sight of all but the most intent 'pickers'.
Reason for pulling the weights off, is to reduce the amount of load required to extract it, and reduce any likelyhood of tearing off a fragile rear tire. When I extract, I like to use a bigger tractor's three-point, usually something with a receiver hitch adapter and a tow hook, then wrap a chain around the axle tubes and/or drawbar, lift up enough to pull without dragging tires too bad, and then gently tow it to safe haven. By doing this, you can steer and pull like an ordinary trailer, rolling it on front tires, which are usually pretty easy to assess... and even if they're in marginal shape, the cost to deal with damaged fronts is substantially lower than rears. |
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ToddSin NY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: Newark,NY Points: 1034 |
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Sagar welcome to the form! Glad to see you have the excitement building! Just be careful this can grow into an addiction! Next thing you know you'll be looking at every tree line for tractors! Then you have 4-5 more sitting. Looks like it has a 3 point conversion also! Good luck with it!!
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Dnoym N. S. Can. ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Points: 544 |
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Welcome!
Great find Sagar
you are getting some good advice here but before you get to far i wold try to air up the tire hole up the loader and get it inside so it can melt any water that my have got in drain all the fluid ( gas, Tran, rear end, engine ) "We tried to turn the engine but it wouldn't so it is seized. " i would take the plugs out and mix up a solution of 50/50 automatic tran fluid and acetone and dump about 1/2 a cup in each cylinder it will free it up (may take 2 or 3 week ) you may still have to tear it down but will have moving parts and used that mix to soak the carb i would check the frost plug in the head under the rocker shaft and take the base pan off and add antifreeze to the rad and put about 5 pound of pressure on the rad and you will see if and where the antifreeze is getting in if you have any more question feel free to ask away B:=) Dnoym |
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acwdwcman ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Location: palmyra, il Points: 1075 |
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wd45 for sure. if you ever need to find out if one is a wd or a wd45 just look at the gear shifter. if it is curved its a wd45 and if it is strait up its a wd.
welcome to the forum bud.
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wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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Thad in AR. ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9559 |
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Just a quick question was the water in the oil green or clear? The freeze plugs in the head could have let in some water and some could be rain. I know it had a rain cap but water can run down the outside of the muffler also. That is a great find save it and it will be very useful on your property. The gear shift boot is good news.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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acwdwcman, The curved shifter along with the constant mesh transmission was introduced in the WD prior to the introduction of the WD45.
Dave, you missed a picture. Here is the one that clearly shows the hand clutch. I was trying to determine if there were extra things on it related to the rock clutch. ![]() I think the hydraulic system is intact, someone just added a bigger reservoir and 2 way valves and cylinders. |
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824 |
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The picture showing the magneto appears to show a short head instead of the later tall head. I can't tell for sure and I don't know when the short head was dropped for the tall head.
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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Jacob thanks for the link it is very helpful and as far as the two straps on the rear lift arm...I have no clue..lol
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Chalmersbob ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 2122 |
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Welcome aboard. It's a great site. Lot of helpful members.
That a great find. and it doesn't look all that bad. I've seen much worse.
I live just east of Hellertown, and have a WD among others.
If I can be of any help to you, give a holler. Bob
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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DaveKamp,
Thanks for the play by play on getting it ready to haul it out of the woods. I will share the info with my boss who is going to help me move it.
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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dannyraddatz,
Thank you for sharing your pictures. It is like a preview of my future. Hopefully in 2 years from now I can share similar pictures with another new owner of an Allis tractor.
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Sagar ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: PA Points: 52 |
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Thad in AR,
The water was green. As soon as I tear the engine apart I will post my find as to the cause.
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