Hey guys I am a new member and I need help.
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Topic: Hey guys I am a new member and I need help.
Posted By: Sagar
Subject: Hey guys I am a new member and I need help.
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:05am
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Hello everyone, I just wanted to take the time to say hello and say thanks for having this website. I recently bought a house in PA and was walking through the woods on my property and found an Allis tractor. I do not know much about tractors but I would like to try to learn more about this one and try to get it running. I'm guessing it is from the 1950's but not sure where to find the serial number/model number. My boss tried to help me pull the tractor out of the woods but we need heavier equipment so we will try again this week. I threw a charged battery on to see what would happen and of course nothing but I did a puff of smoke come off the negative terminal on my battery. We took the carb off and it is frozen so I have it soaking in brake fluid right now and we pulled the oil pan plug and drained about 1.5 gallons worth of coolant before we saw oil. What would be the most likely cause of the coolant being in the oil pan? I'm thinking head gasket or crack in the cylinder wall but I do not know how these engines work. Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Sagar
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:14am
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looks like a WD45 to me. Welcome to the Forum. I am on several forums, and this one is the best one, with some of the nicest, and most knowledgeable members. Seeing it has a delco alternator, I would guess it is 12 volt negative ground now? Ed.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:14am
| Likely the sleeves are cracked. That much coolant in the oil is a sure sign it will at least need an overhaul. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:19am
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Hello sir and welcome to a great forum! It looks to me like you have a WD-45 tractor, which would be from the 1950's. The serial number should be on the rearend, to the left of the differential and just under the left brake cover if I recall correctly. The head could be cracked, or it could be in the cylinder wall somewhere. If you're lucky it might just be the head gasket or a freeze plug. I think you'll just have to tear it down to find out what's wrong. For now, assume the worst. It'll probably take some money to fix it up, but you'll have the perfect tractor for working around your new place. My Dad has a '52 WD with a trip loader and it's a great tractor. Your WD-45 has a nicer loader on it! The wide front end and wheel weights are also a plus. Good luck and keep us updated! ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:20am
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Welcome!
Without knowing how long the tractor has been sitting there, you are a long way from putting a battery on it. With a frozen carb, it has porobably been sitting for a long time. Quite possible that the engine is seized too. Don't try pulling it to get it started either.
Best advice I can give it to drag it inside and remove the head to see how things look in the cylinders.
If that is the tractor in the picture, it looks to be a WD45 to me. Parts are pretty easy to find for them. Made between 1953 and 1957. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:26am
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Ed,
Thank you for your response. This really is a great site, I've had so many responses within minutes and to answer your question yes it is a 12 volt now.
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:39am
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DSeries4,
Thanks for the welcome, I really just threw the battery on to see if the power system was working or not. From the vine growth and the sizes of the saplings that were growing through the plow arms I am guessing at least 2 to 3 years since it was last running or put in its current location and the hydraulic rods for the plow are still smooth and not pitted or rusty. We tried to turn the engine but it wouldn't so it is seized. That is the tractor in the picture.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:39am
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Welcome to the BEST tractor website ever. One of the most common causes of coolant in the oil is the "freeze plugs" in the top of the head. You can pull the rocker arm cover off and see these core plugs near the rocker arm supports. That being said, I don't believe there is 1.5 gallons of coolant above these. With that much coolant, I would guess you have bad o rings on the bottom of at least one sleeve. I wouldn't attempt to turn it over without tearing it down to find problems or you might end up bending push rods or causing more damage to the engine components. It looks like you have a very good starting point for a reliable chore tractor. It looks like it has a curved shifter which would make it a late WD or a WD45 built between 1953 and 1957. It also appears the hydraulic system has been altered which could be a real advantage doing loader work. Another potential problem with these tractors is the transmission. If the operator didn't take time to stop completely to shift gears, it could tend to "pop" out of gear. Keep us informed of you progress and have fun with it. Charlie ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:53am
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Welcome to the forum. That sure is a great find! ------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:59am
| Thanks for all the great info Charlie. As soon as I get it out of the woods and closer to my garage I will start to take the engine apart. With all the info from everyone I atleast now know what I should be looking for. |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:04am
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If you got the time and money you'll get all the advice you need here on restoring it all the way down to the correct paint codes. Just don't give up and scrap it cause that don't go over to well on this site but should be able to sell it or part it out on here if you don't get it running yourself.
------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:32am
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Thanks for the tip Andrew. I do not plan on scraping it all. I would only sell it if I am unable to fix it myself within a reasonable budget. Main goal is to get it running and operational, everything else would be a long term goal. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:35am
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Great find Sagar.WD 45 is a great tractor with lots of power.Love the sound of a 45 working.Those wheel weights and loader/ hydraulic system make that quite a piece of equiptment.You say there was a plow with it?Pics.We all love to see this stuff and you will not find a better site on the internet.Listen to these guys.They have saved me a lot ot money and valuable time in making repairs. ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:40am
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Tear down the motor and see what it needs. GB makes very good loaders. |
Posted By: LannyMTN
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:45am
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That's a great find, and the price wasn't bad, either. These are my favorite tractors. Plenty of parts available here, from forum members or the great vendors that support this forum. Welcome from the heart of Tennessee. Lanny
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Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:56am
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Sagar,
Looks like a great find; I would add doing a pressure test on the cooling system before tear down just for information. Does it have a hand crank?, if so pull the plugs and turn it over by hand, if it moves that’s good. Check the transmission for water in the oil, it has a way of coming in on top threw the shifter housing. Does the shifter have a curve to it or is it straight, the WD45 is curved. One good point is it looks like the exhust had a raincap on it. Show us some pictures of that hydrulic set up when you can. Most important thing to own is an Allis Chalmers service Manuel, you can't get a handle on things without that. Don't buy after market, I own a parts, service and owners Manuel for my WD45. Those books save you when knowledge is needed. I just want to let you know that there are some great A.C. Dealers and Vendors on this site that will ship any where you need it to go.
Danny
------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:57am
| welcome to the site ! wanna trade? |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:58am
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Wow! you got your moneys worth just in the rear weights! LOL
Isn't PA the greatest state? Buy a house, find a tractor!
In all seriousness, she probably blew up in the woods and just got left there because they figured it were not worth fixing.
Even if the engine is toast, you can easily find another at a decent price and have a great tractor to use around your place.
Welcome to the forum!
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:58am
| you look like a natural...sittin on that thing!! |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 11:31am
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
GlenninPA wrote:Posted By: Steve Wilkens
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 11:47am
| Welcome to the forum, the best place in the world to get information and advice on Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment. You've hit the jackpot with that find, a good looking WD45 WFE and a good looking hydraulic bucket loader. A great one to restore. |
Posted By: Dave in PA
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:04pm
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Where about in PA are you from? I might have to look in the back yard, find a tractor?
I have been here for 27 years, might not work for me! I see HUNDREDS of tractors (lots more wheels) a day in my back yard, THE PA TURNPIKE!
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:05pm
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Welcome to the forum. I realy like that tractor you "found" in the woods.
Listen carefully to what is said above. They have experience and expertise to provide information on just about anything you want to know. Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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Posted By: Rogers
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:15pm
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That is a good find. I'd tear down the motor like some have said already and see what it looks like. If the trany isn't rusted up, you can rebuild the engine. If the trany has problems the price to fix went up. The fact that it has a rain cap that is down instead of rusted open is a plus. ------------- Think for yourself and be your own expert. Be willing to change your mind; however, willingness to change your mind doesn’t mean that you will. Blindly following any path is the pinnacle of insanity. |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:37pm
| Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and all the advice and suggestions. All the feedback is getting me really excited about this tractor. I will post more pics as soon as I re-size them. Also I mentioned it has a plow but I meant the loader (my farm equipment terminolgy is that great sorry). |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:47pm
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Posted By: Pa.Pete
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:48pm
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Welcome to the site Sagar! this is a great place to find info.
Where in Pa. are you located? I'm in N.W Pa. not far from Erie.
Pete
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Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:48pm
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Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:49pm
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Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:01pm
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Posted By: Jacob (WI,ND)
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:03pm
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Not a bad start for finding a tractor, and welcome to the site! Like others said, the serial number will date the year of the tractor, located here: http://people.clemson.edu/~wsmth/SNLocat/ACSN4.htm - http://people.clemson.edu/~wsmth/SNLocat/ACSN4.htm because of the curved shift lever, it is either a very late WD or more likely a WD45. Like others have suggested, try to get some air in the tires (much easer to roll that way and easer on the tires if they are salvageable) carefully tow it to the shop, and start tearing it apart. You have nothing to loose at this point but some time. Take lots of pictures as you take things apart, and notes. It makes putting things back together much easer. Don't force the engine to turn over if its stuck. You will only wreck more parts. Tear it apart and find the original problems first. Just some other observations: You have a nice rear bullet light on the left fender, be careful not to break that. I see the right half of your throttle quadrant is broke off. The rear weights are a plus too, everyone is looking for them. What is bolted to the rear lift arms? I can see two "straps" going down to the ground. ------------- Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:03pm
| Hey Pete, I'm in Bangor right on the Delaware river. |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:05pm
| Sorry for the crazy amount of pics but I posted whatever I had. The website thought I was spamming the forum because of all the pics. HAHA. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:20pm
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Looks like a magneto on right side photo. WD45's use a mag? I am not an expert on those earlier tractors, but I would have thought a 45 to be new enough to have a point/distributor/coil ignition system. My point is I guess, that it may have an older WD engine in it anyway.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Pa.Pete
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:27pm
We are about as far apart as Pa. gets. Good luck with your new project, these old tractors are alot of fun.
Pete
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:29pm
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Welcome! Okay, first- some observations: Magneto... Don't think that was a WD-45 part, but could have been changed. I like magnetos... and I'm sure I'm not alone. Does the engine block have a big flat steel plate on one side? If so, the engine is a WC or WD, not a WD-45. Rear end has lift arms- that means WD or later. Glove on seat means your left hand is cold. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you have a mix-match of componentry... that's not unusual for a working loader-tractor. Prior to moving it, I have some suggestions: 1) Pull all the wheel weights. Unbolt them. I'd say... once unbolted, pull 'em far enough to the sides so they'll be out-of-the-way. At that point, make sure they're well-marked, so you don't hit 'em with a mower or something. Don't drag 'em out of the woods- instead, plan on goin' to get 'em with the tractor once you get it back in operation. 2) Put a big catch-pan under the transmission, and pull the tranny drain plugs. Most likely, exposure has defeated the shifter boot, and water has filled the transmission... and right now, it's probably ice. You'll want several warm days to get it all thawed out, otherwise you'll break something trying to pull it out. Once you're sure it's all thawed and drained, refill with oil. 3) Cut some 2x4's, or something else to stick around the loader's lift cylinders. Take a farm jack and some long prybars, also a ratchet-strap or two. Ratchet-strap the hydraulic valves to the 'drop' position (might take some experimenting), and then jack up the bucket high enough so that you can stick the prop-rods in, and hold the bucket up. If the cylinders simply won't move, you'll need to pull one of the cylinder pins, and swing it up and block it. 4) Saw out any tree limbs, etc., saplings, etc, that may be in the way. 5) Strap the steering wheel in the 'straight ahead' position. Take a portable compressor down and pump up the tires. Front tires will probably be unhappy... the rears don't look too bad, so they might be fine, or hopefully at least hold air well enough to get by 'till later. Hopefully you're lucky. 6) Introduce yourselves to your neighbors, and find one with an equal sized tractor with a 3-point hitch. Have the neighbor hook on, lift with the 3-point, and pull the Allis out of the forest, and roll it into your driveway, in a convenient spot to unhook the loader. Unhook loader, then have neighbor push the Allis into the shop. Next, either buy a set of 'car roller' casters for the front end, or make some out of 2x4's and strong casters. The rears won't be so easy, but can be made with lumber and bigger casters, so you can move it around in the shop without making a big investment in tires. You NEED to be able to scoot it around without dumping your operating budget in rubber. Another way to do it, is to find a set of serviceable tires and slap'em on so it's at least towable. As far as everything else goes, I think what I would do, is cut the time-losses and immediately look around for a good-running WC/WD/WD45 or Gleanor E motor, and put it in. Once running, assess the driveline condition, solve any major problems there, get it running/driveable, then chain and drag the weights up to the shop, get 'em mounted. Mount up the loader, get it working (probably hydraulic lines, fluid, mebbie some seals and cylinder TLC), and then put it back to work. Once you have a functioning loader, then decide what to do about the current engine. They're not hard to rebuild, as long as the block hasn't been all cracked-up, it'll be a nice winter project in a warm, well lighted shop. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:34pm
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Btw, Sagar- I was just in Bangor about two months ago... There's an antique steam and gas engine club right there... I met a bunch of the steam-heads, but there's a pretty good crew of spark-ignition fellers there too - look 'em up, I'll bet you can find a guy or two that'd help 'ya with the extraction and assessment process. They go by the name Blue Mountain Antique Steam and Gas Engine Society... technically they're in 'Jacktown'... http://www.jacktown.com/ |
Posted By: alan-nj
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 1:47pm
| hey, you're not very far from me. about 13 miles from my house to the jacktown grove. i'm a member there. nice find. if you've got any questions, let me know. i'd be glad to stop over. alan |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 2:09pm
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Welcome and "git er done".You'll be proud of yourself and your accomplishment. I didn't see anyone mention to you that "there are NO dumb questions" on this site, just some of the answers. LOL You'll get the best help you can find ANYWHERE right here. Believe me, I know. I just got mine last fall and the guys are a real help! One of the BEST things that I saw mentioned was to TAKE PICTURES every step of the way. It'll really help when you start to put it back together. Again, WELCOME and have fun rebuilding, Ted from Wisconsin ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 2:34pm
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It looked like the shifter boot was intact in the pics. It can still get water from condensation though. If the tires are flat you might try airing them up. I don't know if I'd go through the trouble of pulling them off. Depending on your area, they might not be there when you return. Pull it up to the shop and dig in... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 3:01pm
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A WD 45 with loader on it has a street value of 12-1800 dollars depending. So if you have to put money in it to get it running throw those numbers in the hopper when figuring what it's worth to you. As has been said, that tractor would be very valuable around your place year in year out! Think shoveling 1-2 feet of snow when it would push it, or carrying/pushing brush and firewood. The reasons for getting it running are almost endless and if you have it available you'll come up with an endless list!!!!!! Dipstick In Joe ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 4:07pm
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Couldn't help but post a few pictures, hope your tractor work goes as well as mine did. Two years and loving every minute I have spent on this project!
Danny
 Blizzard 2011
 Serving the Lord, Annual hayrack ride at church
 The day I bought the WD45, February, 15, 2009. ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 4:29pm
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Hmmm... Brian's got a good point- you may be in a location where someone snooping through might try to snag your wheel weights for 'remarketing'... I assumed (foolishly) that it was in an area that was safely out-of-sight of all but the most intent 'pickers'. Reason for pulling the weights off, is to reduce the amount of load required to extract it, and reduce any likelyhood of tearing off a fragile rear tire. When I extract, I like to use a bigger tractor's three-point, usually something with a receiver hitch adapter and a tow hook, then wrap a chain around the axle tubes and/or drawbar, lift up enough to pull without dragging tires too bad, and then gently tow it to safe haven. By doing this, you can steer and pull like an ordinary trailer, rolling it on front tires, which are usually pretty easy to assess... and even if they're in marginal shape, the cost to deal with damaged fronts is substantially lower than rears. |
Posted By: ToddSin NY
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 5:07pm
| Sagar welcome to the form! Glad to see you have the excitement building! Just be careful this can grow into an addiction! Next thing you know you'll be looking at every tree line for tractors! Then you have 4-5 more sitting. Looks like it has a 3 point conversion also! Good luck with it!! |
Posted By: Dnoym N. S. Can.
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 5:12pm
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Welcome!
Great find Sagar you are getting some good advice here but before you get to far i wold try to air up the tire hole up the loader and get it inside so it can melt any water that my have got in drain all the fluid ( gas, Tran, rear end, engine ) "We tried to turn the engine but it wouldn't so it is seized. " i would take the plugs out and mix up a solution of 50/50 automatic tran fluid and acetone and dump about 1/2 a cup in each cylinder it will free it up (may take 2 or 3 week ) you may still have to tear it down but will have moving parts and used that mix to soak the carb i would check the frost plug in the head under the rocker shaft and take the base pan off and add antifreeze to the rad and put about 5 pound of pressure on the rad and you will see if and where the antifreeze is getting in if you have any more question feel free to ask away B:=) Dnoym |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 6:50pm
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wd45 for sure. if you ever need to find out if one is a wd or a wd45 just look at the gear shifter. if it is curved its a wd45 and if it is strait up its a wd.
welcome to the forum bud. ------------- wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 7:09pm
| Just a quick question was the water in the oil green or clear? The freeze plugs in the head could have let in some water and some could be rain. I know it had a rain cap but water can run down the outside of the muffler also. That is a great find save it and it will be very useful on your property. The gear shift boot is good news. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 7:27pm
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acwdwcman, The curved shifter along with the constant mesh transmission was introduced in the WD prior to the introduction of the WD45. Dave, you missed a picture. Here is the one that clearly shows the hand clutch. I was trying to determine if there were extra things on it related to the rock clutch. I think the hydraulic system is intact, someone just added a bigger reservoir and 2 way valves and cylinders. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 7:33pm
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The picture showing the magneto appears to show a short head instead of the later tall head. I can't tell for sure and I don't know when the short head was dropped for the tall head.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:14pm
| Jacob thanks for the link it is very helpful and as far as the two straps on the rear lift arm...I have no clue..lol |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:14pm
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Welcome aboard. It's a great site. Lot of helpful members.
That a great find. and it doesn't look all that bad. I've seen much worse.
I live just east of Hellertown, and have a WD among others.
If I can be of any help to you, give a holler. Bob
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:20pm
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DaveKamp,
Thanks for the play by play on getting it ready to haul it out of the woods. I will share the info with my boss who is going to help me move it.
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:23pm
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dannyraddatz,
Thank you for sharing your pictures. It is like a preview of my future. Hopefully in 2 years from now I can share similar pictures with another new owner of an Allis tractor.
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:27pm
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Thad in AR,
The water was green. As soon as I tear the engine apart I will post my find as to the cause.
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:30pm
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Chalmersbob,
Thank you and yes this site is amazing, everyone is knowledgeable and very kind. The networking alone through this site is mind blowing. Thanks neighbor.
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:35pm
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Thanks again everyone for all your thoughts and feedback. With all the info I received today I am in this project 100%. My mustang project will have to be put on hold and my mustang repair/restoration fund is now the A.C tractor repair/restoration fund. As soon as I get the tractor out of the woods and have the time to start taking it apart I will post pictures and updates of my progress and discoveries.
Thanks once again,
Sagar
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Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 9:52pm
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Sagar,
I want to see those picture when your day happens, the first are your posting today! I have been told by many friends that are farmers that my tractor in working cloths is a dependable one. One of my greatest times in the seat of my WD45 was the first tractor ride I organized last year with 19 great friends along, it just felt good that day.
Take your time and good luck with your new tractor.
Danny ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:10pm
| Welcome Sagar, from a fellow Pennsylvanian. Maybe you already know, but these tractors are positive ground. Thought that may have caused the puff of smoke you mentioned in your first post, GOOD LUCK & have fun...Harvey |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:31pm
| I wish I could find one of those walking through my woods! Loader is nice and weights are nice. Definitely worth fixing up. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:34pm
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Harvey, it has an alternator on it. Most likely a 12 volt conversion with negative ground now. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 11:18pm
| Thanks for the correction Charlie your eyes are better than mine or maybe you are just observant...Harvey |
Posted By: Jeff-in-Kunkletown
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 6:23pm
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Hey Sagar, welcome to the site. I'm up here in Kunkletown, PA about 15 miles or so north of you. If you need anything let me know. I belong to the Jacktown club also, you'll enjoy that place, lots of fun, food, and friends. ------------- Sucess is how high you bounce after hitting bottom. Gen. George S. Patton |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 7:25pm
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 7:41pm
| i see you need a throttle quadrent.i have 2 of them let me know if i can help |
Posted By: David Gibson (OH)
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 8:09pm
------------- David Gibson http://www.darkecountysteam.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.darkecountysteam.com 1956 WD45 |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2011 at 10:50pm
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I've heard that the tall head showed up at the same time as the synchro mesh trans(curved shifter) on late 53 WD's.Was also led to believe they still used the lifter cover plate block on all WD's to the end. This is not stated as FACT.
More hear-say....WD's came with mags,battery conversions dealer option.All WD's had hole in rad shell for shutter crank,even if no shutters(rt side at top).
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Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 5:40pm
| My buddy has a late WD with the curved shifter, tall head, with a mag, and the lifter cover plate on the right side ( at least the original engine did) . I'll have to check if it has the hole for the shutter crank. Bob |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2011 at 7:43pm
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Sagar, welcome to the forum. I think you have figured out this site is awesome already, but I can't say enough good things about it. I have met some great people here who love to tinker with this old orange iron, and love to see others get the fever as you have.
That WD(or WD-45) is an awesome find, especially with the full hydraulic loader and rear wheel weights. Looks like she's all there, even if some parts may not be original. Don't give up on her, she's definitely worth fixing. As was previously stated, if you have that much coolant in the oil, and it's seized, your best/cheapest solution would probably be to buy a used engine from someone(I bet there's a couple of folks on here that can help with that. LOL). Provided the tranny is OK, that will get you running in short order. Then you can tinker with the rest of it as you have time/money. It's a lot more encouraging to have one that runs. You could check the engine later to see if it can be salvaged.
Sorry for the long post. Have you found the serial number on the rearend yet? If so, what is it? That will help narrow down what you have. Also, you can look at the engine number. That may not tell you if that engine came with that tractor, but it can narrow it down some(ie, if the numbers are way off, it is definitely a transplant)
Look forward to seeing the progress on this. Keep us posted. Be safe getting her to the house, and with all of the wrenching. Don't want to see anyone get hurt doing something that's this much fun. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 3:59pm
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Hoping Friday is the big move!..
Hey everyone,
Just an update about my Allis find. Friday will be the day we will get the beauty out of the woods and next to my garage. My boss is coming by again but this time with a massive 150lb worm gear winch. Hoping it does the trick.
Does anyone know how much a working used engine cost? I have seen the re-build kits for about $500.00.
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Posted By: SteveC(NS)
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2011 at 4:52pm
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TRY:-
Sandy Lake Implement
Sandy Lake, PA 1-888-252-0656 www.sandylakeimp.com FIND US ON FACEBOOK |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 4:56am
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Sagar,
Many members will tell you unless you see the motor running you could be buying some one elses problem. Follow the leads listed from members on your posting and see what is wrong with your engine, after you check yours out it will lead you to a rebuild or replacement. Did you order a A.C. service manuel yet?
Danny ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: SteveC(NS)
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 7:08am
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Here are manuals available for free! as posted recently by one of our bretheren?
MODELS B,C,CA,G,RC,WC,WF,WD,WD45,WD45 DIESEL
http://blog.patriciamariephotography.com/tractor/wd-45%20service%20manual.pdf - http://blog.patriciamariephotography.com/tractor/wd-45%20service%20manual.pdf
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:01am
| Every time I see the subject of this thread pop up, I laugh inside, knowing that it thoroughly describes me, and probably most everybody else on this forum. ;-) |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:16am
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Danny,
I am going in the direction that everyone has suggested as far as checking the engine first. I just wanted to know what the cost would be for a worse case scenerio (engine replacement).
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:17am
| Thanks SteveC!! |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:18am
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DaveKamp,
I guess most of us started in a similar situation. We all have more in common than just AC fever and I think thats why this forum is so great.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 11:57am
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Well, it could've easily said I'm an 'Old Tractor Lover' or an 'afficiando of machine tools' or a 'collector of guitars' or a 'hobby farmer of chickens' or 'own too many boats'... but the reality is... I need help... (and my wife would agree) But that's okay. Wrench-time, and seat time... are good therapy. ;-) I'm really good with high-technology machinery... computer-laden engine compartments, sophisticated braking systems, data communication, etc.... Every time I hafta work on a newer vehicle, I remember how much I love working on an old tractor. ...Back when a 'trouble code' meant there was a drip of some unexpected color on the floor beneath... or in the air above the exhaust stack... or a change in the thump-thump sound coming from the whatchamacallit box. Nothing 'ya can't fix with a couple'a wrenches, a leather mallet, and a few cans of favorite beverage. |
Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 8:41am
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UPDATE!! We pulled the tractor out! It took a few tries and about 8 hours but we got her out. I have been sore for the past 2 days but it was well worth it. I have pics of the carb I took apart while I waiting to pull the tractor out along with video of us pulling the tractor out that I will post tonight after I edit the clips all into one video.Seems like the left rear wheel is frozen. I will have to work on it in the woods to get it turning so we can pull it closer to the house easier. Hoping it is something simple like a stuck brake or something.
I will post the pics and video tonight, but here is a link of a video my boss took.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2l3NcWilGY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2l3NcWilGY
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 10:33am
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I'm glad to hear that you got it out! Looking forward to seeing the video tonight. Hope to see you post more pics and videos as you fix it up. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 11:45am
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Hi Sagar, nice find . left wheel not turning are the brakes totally released? there use to be a foot rest that the brake pedals would rest against. On top of rear housing you will find two covers with 2 bolts in them, one being under the seat mount and the left cover.take those two bolts out and now you can loosen the nut on top and get enough slack to pound /pry the shoes away from brake drum. Now if your rear tire is flat, sometimes the tire won't turn just for that reason alone.
Fellows, I see this tractor has the WD45 DIESEL starting handle hanging on it, and the engine withe mag, also there seems to be a different tint of paint from gas tank to hood making me wonder if this tractor had been diesel and converted back to gas with WD parts.
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Posted By: Sagar
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2011 at 9:33pm
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Okay guys here is the video I said I was going to post. I took all the video clips we had, cut them down and added some cheezy effects. For some reason the video quality isn't great and this is the first time I ever used youtube and a video editor. I will post a better quality version asap.
The video isn't anything great but it is a shortened version of my journey so far with this find.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep-nvZidQZ0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep-nvZidQZ0
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