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Auntwayne 
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 Posted: 19 Jun 2018 at 9:06pm |
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Swimming pool? We had a 200 gallon water tank with a round 35 gallon coal heater inside for keeping the water from freezing in the winter. That tank slimmed up green along the outer walls and heater creating a perfect environment for some type of black biting bug that bit us nonstop. and if you kept your head under water long enough, you gave the cows a good startle when they took a drink. And we liked it !
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JC-WI
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Posted: 19 Jun 2018 at 9:21pm |
Like Brian F.(IL) we had a "bale fork" that had 4 curved
tines on each side and we put ten bales up at a pull... But unlike Brian, we
had a hay hoist up in the mow and there was the 'guide/trip' rope and
the start-stop-brake rope and one man could put up hay without somebody
else around but two people worked better, one setting and tripping and
pulling the carriage out while the other ran the start stop and assist
in pulling the carriage out... Sure was fun when you could slow that
bale fork down just before it reached the setter's hands so he could grab
it and swing it around to set on the front or the back set of bales (4
and 4 with 2 length-ways in the middle) then step the tines in on one side, step
over and set the other side, step back and the
start rope would be pulled and start lifting the bales... and if there
are people stacking in the mow, they would holler "TRIP" and ten bales
would land near they were stacking... When I first started
helping with bales, we had 12 foot hay racks... which held exactly 20
bales to a layer and took only 2 settings to clear a layer... and
then got 14 foot wagons and had a place to stand to finish the load and
then place 4 up the front on each side...and threw an 'extra' rider on
the fork, sometimes two... for 12 bales going up into the barn.
Then we got 16 foot racks and had 25 bales to a layer...
first four layers were 100 bales and the next two layers were set half
bale width in without the center bale down the middle and that was 34 or
36 depending on if you stacked them one-on-top of the other or did
another 1/2 step and then the top tie of one across the middle. Could
figure those loads were 140 or so bales... If we knew we had enough wagons, then we stacked one layer less, or around 120 bale load.
I did
most of the stacking on the wagons back then, had 9 wagons that we could
fill, and anything left after they were full, would be round baled up.
All the fancy layerings of hay would have slowed putting bales up in
the barn having to reposition them for the bale fork... so that was the
reason for a basic stacked load. Biggest thing is to make good solid
bales and stack the hardest sides of the bale to the outside which
usually was the cut side and the knot end, but not always... Three
wagons had the back standards and two had 30" sides and on the back and
the rest had 2x4 edges and on the very back.
Can't say
we didn't lose any bales, but we never lost a bale on the road and we
were up to 6 miles from home sometimes. Can honestly say I hate them
dang pocket-gophers and their mounds with a vengence. Later we got a throw baler and 3 throw racks and put in a hay conveyor.
Don't like it that well, and some days I sure miss the old bale fork and
nicely stacked wagons... bales were square and weren't twisted bent or
crooked... or broken in the wagon. But now, most of the hay
is baled up round and try to get some squares up for the calves and any cows
that have to come into the barn... and to feed in the bunk during really bad weather.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 1:18am |
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I don't remember the dementions of our old hay wagons either, but dad always made them wider than anyone else, length was prolly about 18 ft or so, 4x6 stringers, 4x4 cross members and 1x12 floor boards with a 2x4 edge. we had steep hills and the 2x4 would usually keep the load on the wagon, not always tho. never had any with a back on them. would have been nice quite a few times. the dude that baled for us always made the bales heavy, so we would stack as high as we could throw them, sometimes we could get a higher load if someone was on the rack to stack. we didn't have far to take to the big stack at home. and he didn't work us to death when it was hot.
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allisrutledge
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 8:52am |
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I put the 3 center bales on their edge and one on each side flat. I stagger the next rick opposite from the one in front. 25 to the Rick makes it easy to count. If going any distance I strap the front and rear across. Never had a problem and I don't let anyone walk or stand on the bales as we are loading. That will make a loose load in a hurry.if they can't put the cap on without standing on the next rick they get to load from the ground. By the way I got straw to bale in the next few days if anyone wants training , training cost will be low!!!
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Red Bank
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 10:01am |
Allisrutledge you should have had them time the GOTO at gray to coincide with your straw and you could have had "demonstrations" and probably charged for letting us pick up straw 
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allisrutledge
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 11:38am |
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Hmm, next time, but let's not tell anyone.
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Dick L
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 4:50pm |
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I tie the second stack in with the first. This way you also have steps to the higher bales. On the second tier you place a bale that is on both the first stack and over the bottom of the second stack. This way you never have a stack of bales that are not tied into the next stack. After you have five bales at the back you would need to start the bottom of the second stack before completing the second tier.
Clear as mud I suppose without a picture.
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Ted in NE-OH
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 8:52pm |
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There is a reason why hay wagons have a slanted back. As you stack and keep pushing bales to the back each row partially overlaps the row behind it and adds to the stability.
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john(MI)
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 10:37pm |
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A local auctioneer puts one wagon on his trailer. Then he pulls that wagon up on top of the other wagon. Then he pulls the two stacked wagons on the trailer. I don't think he would want to go any higher!
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shameless dude
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Posted: 20 Jun 2018 at 10:47pm |
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Ted...the ones with the slanted backs are for loading the bales with a 8-pack loader on a tractor, when loaded the bales will all be flat and then over lap about a 1/2 bale backwards on each level. it's for load fast and "git"! usually not many bales on each load. not like hand loading. you'll see on the front of the loads how they are stair stepped as they go higher. plus it keeps them from rolling off the back
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cabinhollow
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Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 6:14am |
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I have been stacking hay by hand for almost 50 years and it has always been on a slanted back wagon. 2"-3" overlap per layer. Also, stack with the outsides straight ( gaps inside the stack) for the first 3 layers, then let the next layers start sloping in. Here you are going uphill or downhill or around the side of a hill. Sometimes all within 50'.
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Dick L
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Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 6:57am |
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Tbone95
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Posted: 21 Jun 2018 at 7:51am |
Any back we had on a wagon, someone would always pull under a tree, simply gave up on them. We use the same wagons for big rounds as we do for square, and the backs are almost in the way for rounds. We "tie" a temporary 4x4 on the back and front when hauling rounds, acts like a chock so they don't roll off. The steepest of hills, just don't take the wagon there, bring the hay to the wagon, or the bale didn't stay up there anyway! PERSONALLY, a preference, all this talk of "tie in", is one approach. My method, the stack can give A LOT without going off, and if you hit a chuck hole or something, one corner will give, and not fall off (within reason). And in the event that you do lose a few bales, you only lose a few, and don't loosen the rest of the stack at the same time. Any luck, I'll be square baling tonight and I'll post a pic. Proud to be unique! LOL
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Tbone95
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Posted: 22 Jun 2018 at 10:11am |
 Sorry about the poor pictures guys. Like the hay hook in the view here, lol. Was in motion and very bright out and I didn't see it. So that's my daughter driving. Deere 2555, NH 273 baler. Too cold to bale at like 69F Was 97 on Sunday, shoulda started then!!! So this is what the overhang typically looks like, not 30% like I said, more like 15%, helps make a nice wide base, and the side boards dish it upwards ever so slightly. The finished product. This is the field where I learned that a rolling harrow, even with a buster bar, does NOT fill in uneven areas from plowing and discing! So the back of field is rough to begin with, and then last years was so wet made ruts round baling. So this load is only 5 high, and only 4 bales on the 4th tier. With good heavy bales and a little smoother ride, I often put 5 on there, no problem. And same goes for 6th tier, would be 3 up there, but this load is getting backed into a shed that 6 won't fit under, waiting for a customer, so no point in putting them up there just to take 'em off and haul them home. Same load. The brown short crappy looking ones on the lower left of the pic are the ones left in the baler from last year. There are 109 bales on the wagon. My daughter in front of the barn my Grandpa built. Not sure how much longer the ol' barn will be with us  This is a nice 6 tier load, 115 on this one. Typical photo of round baler inaction. That's not a typo, space left out on purpose  Friggin' contraption anyhow!!! Sorry, not the best of pics, but thanks for looking.
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Red Bank
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Posted: 22 Jun 2018 at 2:31pm |
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Thanks for posting the pictures. Love that barn and I am always jealous of flat hay fields. Riding my hay wagon is like a rollercoaster.
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cabinhollow
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Posted: 22 Jun 2018 at 9:32pm |
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TB,
Your windrows are about 1/3 size for me. ( have a inline baler )
And your wagon load is about 2/3 what I do on my hills.
I start on the steep parts for the first 1/2 of the load, then go to the not so steep parts to top off the load. 150+ bales per load
And I am getting ready to dump my wagons. Just about have two bales sweeps built.
When I get it all setup, I will move 40 bales to the barn at a time, from the seat of the tractor.
And the barn, if it was on my farm, my wife would be making me turning it into a house for her. On the plus side, she would let me park my B in the living room.
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Alex09(WI)
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Posted: 22 Jun 2018 at 10:55pm |
I learned to stack from my Dad, not sure where he learned to stack. Apparently we like to utilize out hayrack space! We stack our hay against the back on 8x16 wagons. We have rolling hills but nothing extremely steep. And all fields are right down the lane from the farm.
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Michael V (NM)
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Posted: 23 Jun 2018 at 12:29am |
 We always stacked on the truck like bradly6874 said, but only 7 high, with the long bale in the middle on 7th tier..it's not that way this time...but ya get the idea  But this is the way I like to stack em
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Tbone95
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Posted: 25 Jun 2018 at 7:01am |
 cabinhollow wrote:
TB,
Your windrows are about 1/3 size for me. ( have a inline baler )
And your wagon load is about 2/3 what I do on my hills.
I start on the steep parts for the first 1/2 of the load, then go to the not so steep parts to top off the load. 150+ bales per load
And I am getting ready to dump my wagons. Just about have two bales sweeps built.
When I get it all setup, I will move 40 bales to the barn at a time, from the seat of the tractor.
And the barn, if it was on my farm, my wife would be making me turning it into a house for her. On the plus side, she would let me park my B in the living room.
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Those windrows are very small, not "typical" of what I do. Dad raked it......not sure why he didn't double them up.....maybe to be sure it dried. Very dry this year too, so hay is short.  As I said earlier, I often put 120-125 on a load, and this one was only 109. Nice place to stop right by the driveway!  And besides, some of my ol' tires aren't worth the risk of big loads. Doesn't save any time anyway.....especially when a tire blows going down the road and you get to change a tire and restack the load! Haha.....Original question was, guy wanted to stack around 100 bales.
Edited by Tbone95 - 25 Jun 2018 at 7:03am
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Dakota Dave
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Posted: 25 Jun 2018 at 7:18am |
We put 48 bales on a load 
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Charlie175
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Posted: 25 Jun 2018 at 7:45am |
Cheater!
Dakota Dave wrote:
We put 48 bales on a load
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farminharmon
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Posted: 25 Jun 2018 at 1:18pm |
Tier 1: =ll= Tier 2: lllll Tier 3: =l= Tier 4: llll Tier 5: lll Tier 6: = Tier 7: l 4 rows of these for 104 bales then very front row is 20 stacked as so. llllll lllll llll lll = l Total wagon load of 125 bales. Works perfect.
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