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DougG
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Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 3:17pm |
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Just wondering,, but figured so,, gotta see the internsls of compition! AC was always pretty hot tho !
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ACjack
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Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 5:15pm |
![]() Here's a picture of me working on one of our competitors engines in the experimental lab. This was taken in the fall of 1968.
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 6:33pm |
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Doug, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab.
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GM Guy
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 2:33am |
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Would you guys happen to know the history of the 516, aka 11000 series?
This was actually a Buda design that transitioned to Allis, correct? We find it amazing that when it came out it was NA and well under 100 HP, and in its final run, it was turboed and intercooled, and pushing 270 HP in the N7 and R7 Gleaners. We have thought about making a little "Powered by Buda" decal for the tail of our R7s. :) Great info and stories guys, much appreciated, and keep them coming! Allways cool to hear about life at Allis. |
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Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.
If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 7:50am |
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Great stories. Thanks for sharing.
Ernie, what years did the freight liners get the AC 3500 engines? |
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ACjack
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 8:23am |
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 9:28am |
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We started testing them in the early 70's and tested many of them. They must have been used in the medium duty trucks.
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MNfarmerAC
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 10:59am |
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Ernie, did you ever work in the engine test labs in West Allis? My great uncle, Arnie Carlson, worked there and got to go to the Nebraska test track a few times.
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 2:38pm |
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Never went to West Allis, I did work in Springfield Illinois for a couple weeks doing engine updates.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 6:00pm |
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Another Amen to the earlier posts about A-C decision to dabble in the "Big Al" project. From my perspective, the company had some excellent engineering and innovation, but spread itself too thin, so it never got into a dominant position in most of their fields. They were leaders in small combines, and the WD, WD-45 were ahead of most in their time. Why try to compete with the established dominant companies in trucking engines, stick to ag and construction, and improvements there. But that's easy to say in hindsight I know. I suspect they felt they had to increase the volume in the Harvey plant to make it competitive, but.....
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 2:49pm |
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Jack, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab. I on occasion as needed would work the 2nd shift on the V12's being tested. Most times all I had to do was record the readings and just be bored when I read all I had.
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 2:57pm |
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I hated testing the 844's that were built for power generators. They had oiled woodward governors and that was very difficult to set and you occasionally had a runaway. That made you want to run away.
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ACjack
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Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 3:33pm |
Ed Paris sounds familiar but John doesn't. What side did they work? The test lab was basically 2 sides. One was engine building and testing and the other was the experimental machine shop. In the machine shop they had one of the early CNC machines which was used to machine the experimental V sires blocks. Did ED run that? if so I knew him cause I was very interested in the new machine technologies that were coming and talked with who ever it was about using/ running it.
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ACjack
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Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 3:52pm |
Runaway's; kind of like starting up a 2900 or 3500 with the Simms pump. One hand on the start button and the other on the fuel lines disconnect?
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DougG
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Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 6:27pm |
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Allis did waste alot of dollars on the 844 ,Big Al then you gotta wonder why they went broke over such bad decicions,, especially when Fiat was looking at AC construction years before
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Lynn Marshall
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Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 7:48pm |
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Ernie, are you still sporting the pork chop sideburns??? They're 'BOSS'!! Did you test every engine that came down the line, or just a random sample?
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 10:13am |
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Every engine built was tested. I finally shaved off the porkchops in the mid 80's, that was my Elvis look. Those were the days my friend!
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 10:17am |
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Ed worked in experimental lab for many years and mostly performed experimental engine tests. However, I'm sure he did most everything they wanted. John also worked many years in the test lab and I'm sure you had seen him and don't remember.
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Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 12:24pm |
I must have known them but , your right it's been quite a few years ago. Speaking of remembering; did you recognized the aisle in my photo?
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 1:40pm |
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Yes, walked through there several times. I had the enclosed V-12 test cell on the northeast side by the north door.
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Ernie Gerald
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Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 1:51pm |
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We always had a hardcover book handy to put over the intake, it took a while for the filters to run dry therefore instant stop. I once saw a 844 running full bore and the huge Water dyno seized up and the engine bent the dyno shaft as it pulled the stand up out of the concrete floor and the engine turned on its side. I once had a D11000 throw a rod through the side of the block taking out a piece of the camshaft and took out the big beam load indicator and damaged the console, The rod went right by my left ear and hit the console. a worker on the assembly line missed torqueing that rod.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 3:39pm |
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ernie
how are you ?? I remember ed paris.
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brucecr
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 3:47pm |
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how old were you then ????
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Lonn
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 4:35pm |
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Wait a minute, this thread is 7 or 8 years old!
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:00pm |
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AGCO's main warehouse is still in Batavia. I assume it's just been updated through the years. It's good to see a little bit of Allis here and there. It's all we've got I guess.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:38pm |
I'm afraid Ernies last visit was December of 2014. |
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The Consultator
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:52pm |
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Thank you guys for all the pictures and information. It's sad to see the building go. It's sad when times change and such an industry powerhouse be reduced to almost nothing. Thank you to everyone who keeps the A-C family alive!
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1939 Allis-Chalmers "B" restored in 2010- very good condition.
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Mikez
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 10:40pm |
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Yea seems like he joined about same time as thread started an last visited at end of thread. Really cool info. Gana have to go back and read it all
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Dan Hauter
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Posted: 05 Apr 2018 at 9:23pm |
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Harvey is on the southeast edge of Chicago. Just north of I-80. Halstead is a main north / south street. High crime, high poverty area. Please be very careful if you go there.
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