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Topic: Harvey engine factory
Posted By: Russ-neia
Subject: Harvey engine factory
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 4:58pm
Does anyone have information about what happened to the former Harvey engine works?  

How about a street address for some of the buildings and see if it shows up on Google maps?  

I'm going to Chicago this weekend to visit a friend.  Thought it might be interesting to drive to Harvey and look around, but not sure if that is a good idea as he says Harvey is pretty deep in poverty.



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Posted By: Brian Ahart
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2010 at 7:52pm
15443 Commercial Avenue, Harvey, IL

I assembled a panorama photo several years ago when I was researching this.  Here is a scaled down version:





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Posted By: SIMPLICITY
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 8:25pm
HELLO
 DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE MOLDS USED TO CAST THE BLOCKS,CRANKS & HEADS?


Posted By: ACD19farmboy
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 10:46pm
What is it now??


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 6:04pm
The Harvy Engine Works machines and engine prints, equipment, etc. was supposedly sold to a company in Colorado ; they kept producing the engines under a different name , not ALLIS  , but I believe they went bankrupt and dont know after that , I think Jerry from KS. provided that information on here once


Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 11:29am
Yes, what is on the proerty now and can Jerry provide the info on the engines again??

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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 12:06pm

Isn't Harvey kinda on the south side? If it's where I think it is, that's not a good place to be in the daytime, let alone after dark. GM's training center is in Hinsdale and after class once I thought I'd go to the museum of science and history. It didn't register that I took a path straight through the ghetto. If you don't lay rubber the instant traffic lights turn green, they honk at you.



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Posted By: Bee
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 12:14pm
Paste the address in the Google Maps window, then hit the Satellite view.  Not much left but concrete...

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 11:42am
I worked there 1965-1976 as a engine tester and night shift supervisor. Is the buildings still there?


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 11:46am
Glad your here Ernie, bet that was a fun job testing engines!


Posted By: angusguernsey
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 1:41pm
A number of years ago, I was sent to the Harvey works on my first trip as a truck driver. At that time, it was a tube and conduit manufacturer. "Allis-Chalmers" was still written on the water tower. I had wondered why the perimeter fence was actually concrete bunker silo type panels. I later found out that it was because stray bullets were enough of a problem, they needed to bullet-proof it. All I could think of was the old Jim Croce song about bad LeRoy Brown. He was from the south-side of Chicago.

I got my load of conduit, and it was after dark by the time I left. I knew that this country boy didn't belong there. I spent that night in Rockford.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 4:23pm
Yes it was a fun job. I have many stories of engine mishaps during my 10 years. I have pictures to post.


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2014 at 4:32pm
Brian, how did you get this photo on here? Also it is not the photo of the old factory. Thanks,


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 8:48pm
Doug,I have current photo's of the Allis Chalmers factory in Harvey Il' I just don't know how to post the photo's on here. The buildings are still there.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:02pm


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Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:04pm


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Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:05pm


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Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:06pm


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Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:06pm


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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:34pm
It's on youtube.
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Posted By: AndyinWI
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2014 at 9:42pm
The Harvey engine factory now belongs to Sterling Lumber and is used as a timber may factory. My brother got to tour it last spring. They supply all of the access mats for our oil pipeline projects. The only thing left that resembled Allis Chalmers at that time was the water tower. It still said Allis Chalmers on it, and I have a picture somewhere of him standing in front of it.   They told him they had plans of getting the water tower painted over the summer.

Maybe he will chime in with a little more info.

Andy


Posted By: roosky01
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 1:15pm
It is indeed now owned by the Sterling Lumber Company and the produce all sorts of industrial wood products. Mostly, the timber swamp mats that are used on pipeline or power line projects that you might see.

I did in fact tour the plant this summer and rode through the entire place on a monster golf cart. It was raining that day and the roof leaked bad all over the place! There was absolutely no remains of anything Allis other that a couple of air compressors. I explained some of the history of the plant to the Sterling family while I sat down with them for lunch and they had heard, but were really unaware of the level of history this plant had carried. I told them that if they found anything Allis that they needed to call me!

On a side note, the Sterling family told me that the plant in fact is in both the Harvey and Phoenix city limits and when the were in negotiations to purchase that Harvey was giving them a bit of trouble. After the sale was completed they changed the address of the plant from Harvey to Phoenix since the Phoenix officials were great to deal with.

I do have the pic standing in front of the water tower somewhere. Maybe I should contact them and see if we could do "group buy" on the water tower?


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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 2:01pm

This is me testing a 2900 series diesel which had a high rpm of 2200. This would have been 1976

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 2:06pm

Me setting the injection pump before running the beam load power curve.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 2:10pm

Me running the power curve.

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Posted By: aras
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 2:11pm
Thanks for sharing the pictures!  AWESOME


Posted By: 8050/8030/185
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 5:38pm
What happened to the large Batavia, IL warehouse? I remember the closing of the Bondurant, IA regional parts warehouse and everything being sent to Batavia and suppose to be better and faster for parts. My dealer was in Bondurant and driving 1/2 mile was much better than waiting for Batavia to ship it 350 miles.  
So much of AC history was destroyed by Deutz in their short time of ownership. IH had a lot of the same fate when Tenneco/Case took over. 


Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 6:36pm
Thanks for the photos and info ernie,much appreciated.


Posted By: Brian-KS
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 6:39pm
Thanks Ernie!  Looks like some good times!

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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 6:49pm
I was the inspector in department 76 in 1976. You might remember my dad, around that time he was the test (dept 77) working the second shift. His nick name was "Big John". Did you mean D2800 and not D2900? Didn't see a turbo on it. All the same some great pictures and thanks for posting them. John Fiandaca 


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 7:57pm
Yes I meant D2800, I tested on all 3 diesel lines as well as the V12's. The mid sized line tested was D6000, D7000, D3400,D3500 and the 11000 size. The 3rd was for the big boys. All engine came in from the assembly line on a overhead conveyor rail and we had an overhead cable crane on all 3 test lines to take the engine of and to the test dyno stand and then after test back on the line and from there the engines went to the final assembly adding assy. parts and then through the wash booth and then the paint booth. Then shipping put them on skids for shipment. The engine assembly line was dept.75 Test dept. was 77. Our employee numbers started with the 2 digit dept. number with 3 digits after. I put my lead wire seal on to many engines to count. When test was finished and all was a go, we put the wire seals on the injection pumps. The only engine I had come back was a gleaner combine D2900 engine and it was the injection pumps fault. The pump rack flipped open full past the governor and the combine ate up a fence row until it choked the engine to a stop. The engine was completely gone through and inspected and the Simms pump went to the pump room where they found the problem.    

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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 8:28pm
Ernie how many engines could you test in a day? Looks like you enjoyed it. What brought you out to Washington?

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Posted By: jorstad brothers
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 8:39pm
do you know who scratched the initals in the valve covers?? have several here will look soon i think it was  RHS and the date is under them.


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 9:05pm
Test amounts On the small line was 5 a day, the medium line was 3 and the large line was 1. We also had a gas engine dept and I believe it was 15 a day. We also had 3 repairmen in the test Dept and they would replace a pump or whatever in the test stand, if they had to go inside the engine we marked it for repair and wrote the problem on the test sheet for that engine. After Allis Chalmers I became a service manager for I.H.C. and then had a few jobs after that. My last one was a regional Manager for a after market auto parts co. I ended up in California and was responsible for 6 states including Hawaii. I retired in 2004 and had 2 brother5s living in Washington with less people and better cost of living.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 9:09pm
I don't know who RHS is and we could not deface the engines, Inspection would catch it. I would say it was done after the plant closed.

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Posted By: jorstad brothers
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 9:14pm
my other thought was it was the guy installing them or starting them at west allis


Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

Test amounts On the small line was 5 a day, the medium line was 3 and the large line was 1. We also had a gas engine dept and I believe it was 15 a day. We also had 3 repairmen in the test Dept and they would replace a pump or whatever in the test stand, if they had to go inside the engine we marked it for repair and wrote the problem on the test sheet for that engine. After Allis Chalmers I became a service manager for I.H.C. and then had a few jobs after that. My last one was a regional Manager for a after market auto parts co. I ended up in California and was responsible for 6 states including Hawaii. I retired in 2004 and had 2 brother5s living in Washington with less people and better cost of living.



Of those 5 engines a day, how many needed more than tightening a fitting??


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Posted By: tornado8070
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2014 at 10:47pm
Thanks for sharing these great pieces of AC history. 

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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 4:57am
Yes Ernie , thanks for the pics and info , that would've been an awesome job ! Lets hear more stories !


Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 5:34am
Ernie, thanks for all the info and pictures. I have seen 3 of the V-12's --very impressive. I have a 3500 MK II engine with a Simms injection pump (in a 220). Did many engines have a Simms pump and did they perform better??

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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 6:21am
Excellent info and pics! Thanks Erie for sharing!! I'll bet there's a lot of great stories over those years of employment there.

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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 8:54am
I worked in department 75 from mid 1969 till I got into inspection in 1975 for department 76. Of the many jobs I had at the engine plant I'd have to say that inspection was the best.                                                                                                                    Erine, how did you like the walk from engine test which was on the far West end of the plant over to the experimental lab which was on the far East side of the plant to test the V12's? I and three other guys where the ones who built the first 12 V12 production prototypes over in department 76. 



Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 4:57pm
Mark, It depended on how well the assembly line did that day. Here are some things that were repaired in the test stand, Porous block pin hole they would drill and plug and grind off the excess, If we had a miss in the engine we would determine which injector was bad by loosening the fuel fee line, Bad vibration was usually and bad dampener, Fuel filter header leaks, its very hard to put a number on this. We washed the engine after we got it running and hot and blew it off with air and checked for water, fuel or oil leaks. We then set the high speed RPMs after that we removed the valve cover and retorqued the head and set the rocker arm gap then reassembled and rechecked for leaks. We ran the power curve at the console and wrote down the beam load settings and we used a slide rule for HP. If all was ok we then removed the engine and hung it on the overhead conveyor to go to Dept 76.    

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 7:37pm
It was a long walk. However when I was night shift supervisor I had a standup electric scooter to ride. Does anyone remember Norv Rabe, Mel Deridder, Steve Moisoff, they were supervisors in the test dept until Rabe retired and Steve was killed in a car accident one night going home. Bob Gard took Steves place and I became nigtht test supervisor when Bob went on days in Dept. 75.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 7:42pm
I only remember the D2900's and D3500's having Simms pumps, most had Rosa Master or American Bosh pumps. Freightliner used a lot of D3500's.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 7:55pm
I do remember Big John, I believe he was an inspector in the Test Dept. As I remember he was about 5'8" or so and pretty round. Course I am over 6'1" and can't judge height of shorter people.

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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 8:03pm
The 3500 MK II engine with the Simms pump that I have in my 220 was on a standby water pump in a town. It had 82 hours and come with all the manuals but the manuals called it an 'On Highway engine'. Did the engines that went to Freightliner have Simms pumps? Sure does start good !! I added an intercooler but didn't touch the pump and it dynos 190 hp with little effort.

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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

I do remember Big John, I believe he was an inspector in the Test Dept. As I remember he was about 5'8" or so and pretty round. Course I am over 6'1" and can't judge height of shorter people.

Yep; That was my dad. He also was quite good at drawing. 


Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 8:11pm
It must have been a thrill to test the V-12's.  I've heard two of them run and the sound is awsome.

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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 8:21pm
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

It was a long walk. However when I was night shift supervisor I had a standup electric scooter to ride. Does anyone remember Norv Rabe, Mel Deridder, Steve Moisoff, they were supervisors in the test dept until Rabe retired and Steve was killed in a car accident one night going home. Bob Gard took Steves place and I became nigtht test supervisor when Bob went on days in Dept. 75.
My dad knew Bob pretty good. I had two supervisors when I was in inspection. One was Bud Howell and Carl Bloom.                                                                                           I remember the little three wheel scooters. Jack Cave who was the general foreman in dept 75 rode one a lot. When ever he would go past the commercial paint booth one of the painters would wad up some masking tape and roll it out in front of him and he would just about fall off (he had poor eyesight just after his cataracts).
I remember Norv and Steve but, mostly I remember Mel Deridder. Where you still there when his kid started working in test? 


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2014 at 9:02pm
Yes I was still there when his son worked there. Mel was a great person and boss. Do you remember the 7 foot tall black guy that worked there. He was a Bloom HS basketball player. I fired a black guy for coming in drunk and the tall guy helped me calm him down so the guards could usher him out. The tall guy picked him up face to face and that calmed him down instantly.

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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2014 at 3:18am
Anyone have any experience with the 844 Big Al? Why couldnt AC have made the improvements right after the huge failures and been successful in this project?


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2014 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

Yes I was still there when his son worked there. Mel was a great person and boss. Do you remember the 7 foot tall black guy that worked there. He was a Bloom HS basketball player. I fired a black guy for coming in drunk and the tall guy helped me calm him down so the guards could usher him out. The tall guy picked him up face to face and that calmed him down instantly.
Don't remember the 7 footer but, do remember more than a few people over the 12 years that I worked there being let go because of that.


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2014 at 10:08am
The D844 BIG AL was a powerhouse but it was to heavy and that was a problem for the gross weight which created less payload.

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Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2014 at 11:32am
Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the 844 Big Al? Why couldnt AC have made the improvements right after the huge failures and been successful in this project?



This was something they should never have messed with.  Allis was never going to be able to beat out Cummins, Cat, or Detroit Diesel in the on-highway truck market-----------especially with their meager engineering budget.  That budget (and the tooling budget) would have been better spent on improvements for the 301 and 426 engines.


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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2014 at 8:17pm
amen to that - I have no idea as to engineering there - take camshafts for example - the same cam was used from the first D21 3400 426 to the last 8070 - same for the first 180 2800 to the last 7020 or L3 145hp  engine...  surely there could have been SOME improvements as the cam is the heart of an engine.  About the only change in the Ag engines was strengthening the blocks and a copper sleeve (hmmm ) 2900 head.  Some parts were changed but there were no major improvements that were apparent .... There were are lot of time spent on the 433I due to the clutch on the 6080's which pushed the cranks thru the thrust brgs... that cost them millions... 


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 11:32am
Did you guys at Harvey have competitors engines in house to tear down and study or was it- we will do our own thing?


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 1:49pm
I don't remember seeing a competitive engine anywhere at the plant. I think A/C just did their own thing. The A/C was a very tough and well designed engine for durability. You still see the old 4 cylinder gas engines still powering carnival rides from many years ago. Also A/C had a one cylinder engine with a huge flywheel for the sugar cane industry of old. They would ship the engine back to Harvey for a rear oil leak and you laid the engine up on its bell housing and removed the engine from the bell housing after removing the flywheel. These old engine just never wore out. A/C did lighten up its engine design from the old Buda engines.   

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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 1:58pm
Ill admit the hum of a fine tuned 301 diesel is what i luv,, those little engines can take a ton of fuel and turbo boost! Im guessing the Rossa pump was really popular and cheaper than the inline Simms,, but u see some Simms out there but alot more Rossa,s and theyre fine too


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Did you guys at Harvey have competitors engines in house to tear down and study or was it- we will do our own thing?
Yes, we did have competitors engines in Harvey. They were tested and examined over in the experimental lab. They were kept in wooden crates when not being used.


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 3:17pm
Just wondering,, but figured so,, gotta see the internsls of compition! AC was always pretty hot tho !


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 5:15pm

Here's a picture of me working on one of our competitors engines in the experimental lab. This was taken in the fall of 1968.


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2014 at 6:33pm
Doug, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab.

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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 2:33am
Would you guys happen to know the history of the 516, aka 11000 series?

This was actually a Buda design that transitioned to Allis, correct?

We find it amazing that when it came out it was NA and well under 100 HP, and in its final run, it was turboed and intercooled, and pushing 270 HP in the N7 and R7 Gleaners.

We have thought about making a little "Powered by Buda" decal for the tail of our R7s. :)

Great info and stories guys, much appreciated, and keep them coming! Allways cool to hear about life at Allis.




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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 7:50am
Great stories. Thanks for sharing.
Ernie, what years did the freight liners get the AC 3500 engines?


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 8:23am
Originally posted by GM Guy GM Guy wrote:

Would you guys happen to know the history of the 516, aka 11000 series?

This was actually a Buda design that transitioned to Allis, correct? Yes

We find it amazing that when it came out it was NA and well under 100 HP, and in its final run, it was turboed and intercooled, and pushing 270 HP in the N7 and R7 Gleaners. The NA's were called 10000's and with the turbo they were 11000's

We have thought about making a little "Powered by Buda" decal for the tail of our R7s. :)

Great info and stories guys, much appreciated, and keep them coming! Allways cool to hear about life at Allis.




Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 9:28am
We started testing them in the early 70's and tested many of them. They must have been used in the medium duty trucks.

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Posted By: MNfarmerAC
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 10:59am
Ernie, did you ever work in the engine test labs in West Allis? My great uncle, Arnie Carlson, worked there and got to go to the Nebraska test track a few times.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 2:38pm
Never went to West Allis, I did work in Springfield Illinois for a couple weeks doing engine updates.

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Posted By: carl
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2014 at 6:00pm
Another Amen to the earlier posts about A-C decision to dabble in the "Big Al" project.  From my perspective, the company had some excellent engineering and innovation, but spread itself too thin, so it never got into a dominant position in most of their fields.  They were leaders in small combines,  and the WD, WD-45 were ahead of most in their time.  Why try to compete with the established dominant companies in trucking engines, stick to ag and construction, and improvements there.  But that's easy to say in hindsight I know.  I suspect they felt they had to increase the volume in the Harvey plant to make it competitive, but.....


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 2:49pm
Jack, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab. I on occasion as needed would work the 2nd shift on the V12's being tested. Most times all I had to do was record the readings and just be bored when I read all I had.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 2:57pm
I hated testing the 844's that were built for power generators. They had oiled woodward governors and that was very difficult to set and you occasionally had a runaway. That made you want to run away.


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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 3:33pm
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

Jack, did you know Ed Paris and his Brother-in-Law John? Ed retired before they closed. Ed was my ex father-in law and he retired to San Diego California, Ed passed away at 82. They both worked for many years in the test lab. I on occasion as needed would work the 2nd shift on the V12's being tested. Most times all I had to do was record the readings and just be bored when I read all I had.

Ed Paris sounds familiar but John doesn't. What side did they work? The test lab was basically 2 sides. One was engine building and testing and the other was the experimental machine shop. In the machine shop they had one of the early CNC machines which was used to machine the experimental V sires blocks. Did ED run that? if so I knew him cause I was very interested in the new machine technologies that were coming and talked with who ever it was about using/ running it.


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

I hated testing the 844's that were built for power generators. They had oiled woodward governors and that was very difficult to set and you occasionally had a runaway. That made you want to run away.
Runaway's; kind of like starting up a 2900 or 3500 with the Simms pump. One hand on the start button and the other on the fuel lines disconnect?


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 6:27pm
Allis did waste alot of dollars on the 844 ,Big Al then you gotta wonder why they went broke over such bad decicions,, especially when Fiat was looking at AC construction years before


Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2014 at 7:48pm
Ernie, are you still sporting the pork chop sideburns??? They're 'BOSS'!!   Did you test every engine that came down the line, or just a random sample?


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 10:13am
Every engine built was tested. I finally shaved off the porkchops in the mid 80's, that was my Elvis look. Those were the days my friend!

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 10:17am
Ed worked in experimental lab for many years and mostly performed experimental engine tests. However, I'm sure he did most everything they wanted. John also worked many years in the test lab and I'm sure you had seen him and don't remember.

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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Ernie Gerald Ernie Gerald wrote:

Ed worked in experimental lab for many years and mostly performed experimental engine tests. However, I'm sure he did most everything they wanted. John also worked many years in the test lab and I'm sure you had seen him and don't remember.
I must have known them but , your right it's been quite a few years ago. Speaking of remembering; did you recognized the aisle in my photo? 


Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 1:40pm
Yes, walked through there several times. I had the enclosed V-12 test cell on the northeast side by the north door.

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Posted By: Ernie Gerald
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2014 at 1:51pm
We always had a hardcover book handy to put over the intake, it took a while for the filters to run dry therefore instant stop. I once saw a 844 running full bore and the huge Water dyno seized up and the engine bent the dyno shaft as it pulled the stand up out of the concrete floor and the engine turned on its side. I once had a D11000 throw a rod through the side of the block taking out a piece of the camshaft and took out the big beam load indicator and damaged the console, The rod went right by my left ear and hit the console. a worker on the assembly line missed torqueing that rod.

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Posted By: brucecr
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 3:39pm
ernie
how are you ?? I remember ed paris. 


Posted By: brucecr
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 3:47pm
how old were you then ????


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

Isn't Harvey kinda on the south side? If it's where I think it is, that's not a good place to be in the daytime, let alone after dark. GM's training center is in Hinsdale and after class once I thought I'd go to the museum of science and history. It didn't register that I took a path straight through the ghetto. If you don't lay rubber the instant traffic lights turn green, they honk at you.

Was there back in '88 or '89. Was just exactly as you described back then too. Me and 4 of my friends were gong to catch the Twins and Soxs but they were sold out and in that day we didn't dare buy from the scalpers. Anyhow, we drove around and went to the museum and just drove around some more. I couldn't believe it when they instantly honked when the light was green and we once made a wrong turn down some back street past an alley and when we drove by there must have been 30 or more "Norwegians" in the alley. We turned around knowing we were in a bad spot and passed the alley again and not a soul was there. That was within 30 seconds or a minutes time. Also, being dumb hicks who trusted everyone we decided to drive to go eat at a pizza place and when we walked in we were the only real Norwegians in the place and it was instant quiet when we walked in. We sat down at a table and noticed everyone there was staring at us 5 guys and after about 5 minutes and when no one came to wait on our table we thought it best we leave so we left. Never did that again!


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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 4:35pm
Wait a minute, this thread is 7 or 8 years old!


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Posted By: joe
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:00pm
AGCO's main warehouse is still in Batavia. I assume it's just been updated through the years. It's good to see a little bit of Allis here and there. It's all we've got I guess. 


Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:38pm
Originally posted by brucecr brucecr wrote:


ernie
how are you ?? I remember ed paris. 

I'm afraid Ernies last visit was December of 2014.

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Posted By: The Consultator
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:52pm
Thank you guys for all the pictures and information. It's sad to see the building go. It's sad when times change and such an industry powerhouse be reduced to almost nothing. Thank you to everyone who keeps the A-C family alive!


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Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 10:40pm
Yea seems like he joined about same time as thread started an last visited at end of thread. Really cool info. Gana have to go back and read it all


Posted By: Dan Hauter
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2018 at 9:23pm
Harvey is on the southeast edge of Chicago.  Just north of I-80.  Halstead is a main north / south street.  High crime, high poverty area.  Please be very careful if you go there.  


Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 9:21pm
Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Wait a minute, this thread is 7 or 8 years old!
Yeah, I saw that too. Last time I was in Chicago for GM they had moved to Glendale Heights. Recently GM ended their relationship with Raytheon for training and moved again. Think it's in Aurora now.

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Posted By: Jasonc
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 12:49am
does anyone remember Harvey Ladewig? He retired from Harvey AC in about 79-80 I think.  He was my grandfather. 


Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2020 at 9:20am
 I might have known him but, I'm pretty bad at remembering names. Do you know what department he worked in and what did he do? 



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