Got the new D17 to start,finally...

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   I got a bar grill D17 around Christmas. Had it delivered from Arkansas (Ebay) to Illinois. The guy I bought it from said everything worked but they had to jump it when it got cold outside. So I'm thinking weak battery. 

Had it delivered to a local implement dealer. When it arrived it was in the 30's and sure enough while it cranked fine it wouldn't fire. Truck driver said the day before it had been outside (around 50 degrees) but it started right up and they drove it on the trailer. 

I pulled it off the truck and down the loading ramp to level ground. Jumped it and it started right up. Drove it around and everything worked. Shut it off and it restarted fine. I went to work and later after school "the boys" went to bring it home. Same thing, it cranked over but wouldn't start. They didn't have cables so the pulled it and it started. Why?

So I got new points and condensor from my local AGCO dealer now I'm thinking it might be a bad condensor. That didn't work, even though it had juice to the points, no spark to the plugs. So we pulled a new coil off the shelf and it still didn't have spark. When the weather finally warmed up, still no spark... we had successfully fixed it to the point it was completly broken. 

Tuesday I bought new plugs and wires, the cap and rotor looked fine and when it ran it ran good. I reconnected the old coil and reset the points for the umpteenth time, but the points wouldn't arc so I'm thinking another bad condensor but just for the heck of it I changed the old points back in and it STARTED! I guess I'll have to wait for fall to see if the cold weather starting is fixed but it's starting fine now, LOL.

The new points look good, so did the old ones for that matter, but my new points apparently are junk, go figure.

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Dave in il Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave in il Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Got the new D17 to start,finally... Posted: 17 Mar 2011 at 11:18pm
	I got a bar grill D17 around Christmas. Had it delivered from Arkansas (Ebay) to Illinois. The guy I bought it from said everything worked but they had to jump it when it got cold outside. So I'm thinking weak battery. Had it delivered to a local implement dealer. When it arrived it was in the 30's and sure enough while it cranked fine it wouldn't fire. Truck driver said the day before it had been outside (around 50 degrees) but it started right up and they drove it on the trailer. I pulled it off the truck and down the loading ramp to level ground. Jumped it and it started right up. Drove it around and everything worked. Shut it off and it restarted fine. I went to work and later after school "the boys" went to bring it home. Same thing, it cranked over but wouldn't start. They didn't have cables so the pulled it and it started. Why? So I got new points and condensor from my local AGCO dealer now I'm thinking it might be a bad condensor. That didn't work, even though it had juice to the points, no spark to the plugs. So we pulled a new coil off the shelf and it still didn't have spark. When the weather finally warmed up, still no spark... we had successfully fixed it to the point it was completly broken. Tuesday I bought new plugs and wires, the cap and rotor looked fine and when it ran it ran good. I reconnected the old coil and reset the points for the umpteenth time, but the points wouldn't arc so I'm thinking another bad condensor but just for the heck of it I changed the old points back in and it STARTED! I guess I'll have to wait for fall to see if the cold weather starting is fixed but it's starting fine now, LOL. The new points look good, so did the old ones for that matter, but my new points apparently are junk, go figure.

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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 6:18am
	It's funny how some of these old girls are so finacky and some aren't. The WC I brought home this fall had sat in a barn for 20+ years. Brought it home, put a carb that worked on it, and some fresh gas and a new battery and it fired right up. Old plugs, wire, points, etc. I looked at them but I never even cleaned them. Sometimes they just like to get our attention from time to time.
	1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221

scott Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: michigan Points: 2659	Post Options Post Reply Quote scott Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 6:42am
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Brian Jasper co. Ia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian Jasper co. Ia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 6:51am
	How well does it crank? I have seen where a bad cell in the battery would still crank the engine, but the cranking voltage drops enough that the ignition system doesn't have enough voltage to fire the plugs under compression. Have the battery tested. From there, you're just going to have to catch it when it won't start and find out what's missing.
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Bob-Maine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Central Maine Points: 922	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bob-Maine Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 8:00am
	Dave, I've been trying to start the G that I am restoring. I installed a new coil, new spark plug and coil wires, new condensor, new points, new rotor and clean plugs. No spark at the plugs. Installed a ground wire to the disributor, no spark. Put a ground wire on the plug is was using to check spark, no change. I had juice to the points but not beyond. So out of desperation, I took out the new points, ran emery cloth over the old points and reinstalled. Great spark. Apparently the new Mexican made points had some kind of film or deposit on the contacts and would not make the circuit. Just my experience. :>) Bob@allisdowneast
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Bill Deppe/AC Salvag Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Maquoketa, Iowa Points: 972	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Deppe/AC Salvag Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 8:38am
	'Years ago', I remember reading a suggestion to use alcohol to clean any film residue left on point surfaces due to manufacturing processing.

skipwelte Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Location: Anthon, Iowa Points: 723	Post Options Post Reply Quote skipwelte Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 12:15pm
	I never put in a set of points without dragging a clean piece paper thru them to get rid of the residue. On used ones Ill drag the point file thru them a time or two.

CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22824	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 8:06pm
	My wife's grandpa used a dollar bill to clean points. He said an older bill will be embedded with very small particles of dirt and grime and make the best super fine sand paper.
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