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Going Back a Few Years....New Idea Equipment |
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combinechris ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jul 2015 Location: wittenberg,Wi. Points: 424 |
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I have 2 706 diesel and an 800 and a 702 power units. Plus two shellers , 760 chopper,picker , 2 710 Combines.
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35 combines and 15 forage harvesters. mostly allis combines and equipment.WTB 2 row cornhead for a 90
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Ky.Allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 1012 |
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Back in the 1980's I had a 701 Uni with 727 husking bed,729A sheller and 734 3row wide head.
It was a great machine and did a fine job. When you look at the shellers (not combine) units for the old Uni's they were a lot like IH's axial flow in design only in a smaller unit. I often wish I had never sold mine.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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last summer after years of abuse I tore up the gearbox on dads old New Idea 5' mower shredder. Bottom baring and seal went out. Maybe unfixable. I would be interested in finding a direct replacement gearbox or a complete good used New Idea 5'mower shredder.
PM me if you can help. A 5' mower is about right for my Massy 1260 |
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macvette ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Jun 2011 Location: nekoosa, wi Points: 1657 |
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When I was a kid, the neighbor who would NEVER own anything that wasn't John Deere, bought a brand new New Idea corn picker. (all his equipment was purchased new) Didn't want to discuss with neighbors why his new picker wasn't John Deere. Some years later, admitted that the New Idea was better than John Deere pickers!
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AC7060IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3433 |
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I recently acquired a NI 270 cut-ditioner for haying. It's an earlier chain driven flail cupped rotor with an clutch over-ride situated after it's gearbox. I'm impressed by it. On tight corners, I shutoff tractor's pto. The cut-ditioner immediately stops it's pto shaft thus saving it's yokes & bearings. The flail rotor continues to spin from its own inertia until tractor's pto is re-engaged. Works great!
I also acquired a NI 404 5 wheel rake. It does a great job too. I love its simplicity. ![]() ![]() Edited by AC7060IL - 29 Jul 2018 at 9:39pm |
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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there are 2 uni harvesters on an auction coming up, I think was either big iron or del Petersen, they have grain conveyers mounted on them, they appeared to be newer units.
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cabinhollow ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2018 Location: SEKY Points: 327 |
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Something like this one?
Uni 708 hydro with a Perkins T6 354 Turbo (138 hp) With the 4N corn head, it only cost me $1500 more than a good 2N pull type picker. ![]() |
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
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The Uni Harvester were a Minn-Mo first.
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917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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Was that at an intersection on HWY 18 that is signed as Bellevue? I used to drive past whenever heading to the coast from Mac. I never bothered to turn my head and look, though. |
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JimIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Castalia Iowa Points: 1980 |
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The New Idea line was slowly absorbed into the Hesston line. The last straw for anything New Idea was the spreader line. They moved the spreader production to Jackson MN where they production ended finally. For some reason the price of the machines jumped when it was moved to Jackson and for some reason they could not load as many spreaders on the semi trailers which increased the trucking expenses, thus finally killing the spreader line. The current box spreader offered by AGCO is a decaled H&S.
We have a New Idea round baler, spreader and corn picker on our farm. You can blame AGCO all you want for the death of New Idea but the fact is their customer base is disappearing at an alarming rate. Their equipment was catered to the small dairy and livestock farmer. In a neighboring county last year we lost over 20 dairy farms....... New Idea didn't build IH hay equipment, Hesston did. They had a joint venture, when Fiat/New Holland purchased CaseIH the line was fully sold to AGCO and the CaseIH hay equipment is now provided by New Holland. |
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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Craig/insoh ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Waverly,ohio Points: 229 |
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I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NEW IDEA BUILT THE CASE IH 3309 DISC MOWER CONDITIONER AND CASE IH HAY RAKES AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD! We have 5209 New Idea discbines and 2 406 hay rakes hydraulic drive 86 and 96 Case IH numbers and buy parts at Case NH dealer because the parts were cheaper! Norm Swinfords book has a New Idea Uni System in it I think in power unit section for 3500A engine Black and White picture! We also have 1 701 292 chevy gas, 2 702 401 GM v6 gas, and one with 401 block diesel, 2 708 T6 354 Perkins, and 1 801 w/3500A in it Uni Systems! Also 839 husking bed with 846N 6 row corn head to pick corn!
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JimIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Castalia Iowa Points: 1980 |
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As I said, the New Idea line was absorbed into the Hesston line. The Hesston/IH partnership precedes AGCOs involvement but when they did come along New Idea machines were integrated into the lineup. Some of the CaseIH round balers were New Ideas as well. You can still see some New Idea design if at least one piece look at a MF/Hesston 1359 mower conditioner. Does that make better sense? Its hard to explain it by typing it.
Im sure the parts can be cheaper at times from CaseIH vs AGCO at time. It can vary from dealer to dealer as well. After working at a dealer for nearly 20 years I have learned that there is NO consistency to parts pricing. Not one brand is cheaper than the other. I will give you an example, a few years ago I needed plunger bearings for my AC 303 baler, they were the same as New Holland plunger bearings, I thought maybe I should price them through AGCO, guess what, AGCO was nearly half the price!!!!! Both bearings were identical, same supplier, builder location etc. Now one would think that NH would have been the better price due to the fact that they built MANY more square balers than any AGCO heritage brands would have.
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VAfarmboy ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2013 Location: Virginia Points: 470 |
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We have a New Idea double frame corn planter like this one. It was made by Kinze for New Idea and is nothing but a double frame Kinze painted orange. In fact there is blue paint under the orange. The guy we got it from bought it new from the New Idea dealer sometime in the early 90s.
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cabinhollow ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2018 Location: SEKY Points: 327 |
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On the Umi, I am looking for a corn head for mine.
6 row x 24" spacing. 30+ years ago, a number of companies made a few 1000 of them. It's looking like I am going to have to take a 6 row N or W and cut it down. |
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tomstractorsandtoys ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Feb 2015 Location: wi Points: 515 |
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There was overlap between CaseIH and New Idea. I am not sure who made what but I think they each made stuff for one another. New Idea had a forage harvester,haybine and square baler that were IH. IH had the New Idea 484-483 round baler and the 5209 discbine that New Idea built. New Idea sold the IH 1190 haybine and a rake that was IH as well.New Idea pickers were not near as good as people think as they shelled way to much corn on the ground. They did a great job of husking and left you with the prettiest crib of corn but if you look close the bottom two inches of corn are missing and are out in the field. The new corn varieties make it even worse. There was a reason that AC won the national corn picking contests in the 60's as the plates over the rolls saved the most corn. My grandfather had an AC picker and the landlord made him sell it as he did not want to see cribs of corn that still had some husks on them. Grandfather tried to tell him that he had more corn to feed as it was in the crib and not the field but they farmed on halves so the AC picker was sold. As far as the Uni-system anything that does everyting does nothing right. They were a great picker but the combine and chopper left a lot to be desired. Dad had a Uni with a Deere 4 row corn head and that machine could really pick some corn in a day. I also picked a lot of corn with a two row mounted NewIdea picker on a series II D15. Tom
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