Going Back a Few Years....New Idea Equipment
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Topic: Going Back a Few Years....New Idea Equipment
Posted By: Randy_Larson
Subject: Going Back a Few Years....New Idea Equipment
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2016 at 8:05pm
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Just got off the phone with Glenn Bridges from Kentucky. Glenn writes about developing a toy model, he has built of Allis-Chalmers, and gives a brief history of the unit in each issue of the Upper Midwest A-C Club's newsletter. Glenn and I were talking tonight and he brought up the subject of New Idea equipment and where did it go? You don't hear about New Idea much anymore. I was going to email this information to Glenn, personally, but I decided to share the same information with our forum friends. So, here it goes: New Idea was birthed in 1899 when Joseph Oppenheim created the first mechanical manure spreader in Maria Stein, Ohio, USA. He died shortly after the first few were built, and B.C. Oppenheim and his son-in-law, Henry Synck took over the leadership of the company. It was first known as Oppenheim's New Idea, and in 1904 changed its name to New Idea Spreader Company[1] In 1912, all operations were moved to Coldwater, OH. The company was sold in 1945 to AVCO[2] In 1984 the New Idea division was purchased by White Farm Equipment to form White-New Idea, a division of the Allied Products Corporation. In 1993, AGCO purchased White-New Idea. AGCO, and White before it, also manufactured tractors at the Coldwater, OH plant, but in 1999, AGCO closed the plant. Hay product manufacturing was moved to the Hesston plant in Hesston, KS. The New Idea brand was dropped by AGCO around 2007. Referenced from http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/New_Idea ------------- G,D10,D12,D14,D15,D17gas,D17 diesel,D19 Diesel, D21 Series II,160,190, B1,Bumble Bee 10,B1,HB 212,ACC 30 forklift and snap-coupler equipment |
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Posted By: Kurzy
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 7:45am
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Howdy Randy, I just finished restoring a New Idea Seed/ Fertilizer spreader. Its pto and ground driven. Nice little unit, it holds 4000 ibs or 67 bushel. If I couid post pics I would.
Kurzy
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Posted By: JimWenigOH
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 12:08pm
| A year or two ago I bought a New Idea Model 100 (10') Fertilizer Spreader in Indiana. It had the optional Grass Seeder attachment on it. I haven't used it yet, and plan on repainting/restoring it first. On the way home we came right through Coldwater, OH where it was made. I stopped in a barber shop to ask where the factory was located. It happened to be just a few blocks away, so I drove by it with the spreader on the back of the truck. Got some looks from the folks sitting outside at a picnic table on a smoke break. Don't know if any of them realized the "Homecoming" or not. The factory is being used by various companies. The Barber told me there was a local man trying to get some sort of New Idea museum started there. Dad or Grandpa had one of these spreaders when I was a kid. It will look good behind the WD45 or CA when I'm done. Does anyone happen to have the paint code for the green and orange paints used on this 1950's vintage New Idea equipment? |
Posted By: Randy_Larson
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 12:54pm
Nice to see that New Idea is still alive ------------- G,D10,D12,D14,D15,D17gas,D17 diesel,D19 Diesel, D21 Series II,160,190, B1,Bumble Bee 10,B1,HB 212,ACC 30 forklift and snap-coupler equipment |
Posted By: Randy_Larson
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 12:55pm
 ------------- G,D10,D12,D14,D15,D17gas,D17 diesel,D19 Diesel, D21 Series II,160,190, B1,Bumble Bee 10,B1,HB 212,ACC 30 forklift and snap-coupler equipment |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 2:42pm
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Dad still has a NI manure spreader and round baler from the late 80's grey and silver era. Both are good machines, simple and reliable. The New Idea manure spreader is still built as a Massey as is the New Idea disc mower. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 6:10pm
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I worked for AVCO in Nashville,TN. They built the New Idea implements there before I went to work there. The old timers had seen a lot from the P38s,C130s,C5As,Bell Helicopters,Boeing 757, Space shuttle and the B1B . Worked on all the government planes and projects. 27 acres under roof. Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 8:16pm
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There was a BIG EPA issue with the Coldwater Plant and Agco. I do not remember all the details. The US Super Fund clean up was even involved at some point. When Agco bought DA the owners KHD assumed all environmental issues - of which there were many. Lead and lead paint buried was one we heard of. Funny that the plant was OK unless bein sold THEN it was not ok... govt at its finest...
------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 9:36pm
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Randy, Funny, this turned over a "rock" in my memory. While we did not sell New Idea when we were selling Allis Chalmers Equipment - mid 30's to 1962 - New Idea was a known producer of agricultural equipment. Always high quality. I went to my library and MR SWINFORD's "The Proud Heritage of AGCO Tractors" looking for mention of New Idea. As noted, this is primarily a tractor book not an implement book. However, I do find mention of White New Idea in the book but no specifically New Idea equipment. If I recall it was some of the better haying, corn picking, and manure handling equipment made. Wish I could be more specific but besides memory it is gone. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 10:27pm
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All of the Allis-Chalmers dealers I can remember were also New Idea dealers. Probably part of the reason that you don't see a whole lot of Allis-Chalmers hay rakes and mowers and corn pickers and manure spreaders and such. Even on our farm at home there are Allis-Chalmers tractor and tillage implements and Gleaner combines but there were New Idea hay rakes and mowers and manure spreaders and corn pickers. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2016 at 11:40pm
| My grandfather was allis chalmers and new idea dealer. That stinks agco dropped the name totally |
Posted By: Orange Tractors
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 1:58am
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My aunt bought a New Idea one row corn picker for either $1 or $1.50 at an auction in the late 1970's, Dad and I ended up towing it home for her, since her bumper had a ball mounted. My cousin and I spent a few days and a tube or so of grease freeing it up, then he used it to pick corn for couple of years. Robert
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Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 5:54pm
| We used to run nothing but new idea corn pickers and manure spreaders. Stood up real well. Had a new idea fertilizer spreader also. |
Posted By: dave63
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 6:12pm
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Dad sold New Idea along side Allis Chalmers. I think their are some parts available through AGCO Most likely parts that interchange with other equipment. He sold a lot of UNI SYSTEMS hardly ever see any of them anymore. ------------- The universal answer to all questions is yes, how much do you want to spend? |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 7:50pm
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New Idea was the only other equipment brand on our farm growing up ; manure spreader , hay conditioner , bale loader , corn picker . The local dealer was a Case dealer and close to our farm . My grandfather liked Allis but did not get along with local AC dealer so much . ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 7:55pm
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New Idea got the UNI-Systems from Minneapolis Moline, they called it UNI-HARVESTER. I ran a 2 row corn picker, mounted on one, back in the early '60's. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 8:07pm
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We have a uni 704 with the 401 gmc v6 and other than it being 2wd we love it. Would really like to find a 709 with the 426 Allis or a 708 with the perkins in 4wd. ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 8:28pm
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New Idea pickers are about the best made. The Coldwater plant is only about 60 miles away. Grandpa's dealership sold New Idea and New Holland along with A-C. The dealer he worked at after his closed sold New Idea too ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: jwal10
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2016 at 9:59pm
| I bought a New Idea 5 wheel hay rake new in 1976 from Lehman Bros. They used to be a MM dealer west of Amity Oregon. They had a lot of MM. A bunch of the old MM Uni-farmers with all kind of equipment mounted. A Manure spreader, a baler, forage chopper and combines....James |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 10:26am
| My Dad owned a NI manure speader. It was well built pto type & held up good. I think it had 8bolt hubs & 24" tires. I know us kids overloaded it often. Wet manure would squat its tires. |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 11:41am
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Neighbors that bought our dairy had the big UNI with the A-C 426. Said it was great until they had to change head systems as suddenly both hired hands would call-in sick. Took two men all day to change it over as they fully serviced the unit front to back at the same time. They put plenty of crops up with the old gal as big operation, three Harvestore and three concrete stave silos. New Idea was known as top shelf back then. |
Posted By: jwal10
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2016 at 8:47pm
| Didn't New Idea build some of the IH haying equipment in the 70's....James |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 5:59pm
The 803 A has the 607I engine in it, has the heavier, better crank and rods in it. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Mrgoodwrench wrote:Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 8:14pm
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There was an IH mower conditioner that used the same parts as my Hesston PT-10. I'm thinking the IH model was 495 but its been a long time since I know that was for sure. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 9:00pm
------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 10:31pm
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AGCO dropped the New Idea name completely? Nothing made New idea anymore? I thought they bought New Idea? Why would they buy it and then bury it?? Sorry, just hadn't heard this one before. I still run the New Idea Model 30B sickle mower and get the pitman sticks from AGCO. Funny they still make them............. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 5:51am
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AGCO catalog of cutting parts: http://www.agcopartsandservice.com/content/dam/agcopartsandservice/NA/AGCO%20Cutting%20Parts%20Vol%20I%20Catalog.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original" rel="nofollow - Catalog |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 7:43am
| AGCO seems to be good at deserting their heritage in name. But I do believe their manure spreaders today are called Massey Ferguson and are based on the New Idea spreader. Please someone correct me if you know more or I'm wrong. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 8:54am
| That's nice that they carry all those mower parts but can't carry any allis mower parts. |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 9:01am
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New Idea bought out the IH hay line. I had an uncle that worked there when the dies and tooling came in from International. Another thing to consider about the demise of the Coldwater plant is that AGCO didnt get it right away in 1991 when they bought White. They didnt get New Idea and the Coldwater plant until 1993. ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: combinechris
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 8:11am
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I have 2 706 diesel and an 800 and a 702 power units. Plus two shellers , 760 chopper,picker , 2 710 Combines. ------------- 35 combines and 15 forage harvesters. mostly allis combines and equipment.WTB 2 row cornhead for a 90 |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 1:39pm
| Back in the 1980's I had a 701 Uni with 727 husking bed,729A sheller and 734 3row wide head. It was a great machine and did a fine job. When you look at the shellers (not combine) units for the old Uni's they were a lot like IH's axial flow in design only in a smaller unit. I often wish I had never sold mine. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 9:38pm
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last summer after years of abuse I tore up the gearbox on dads old New Idea 5' mower shredder. Bottom baring and seal went out. Maybe unfixable. I would be interested in finding a direct replacement gearbox or a complete good used New Idea 5'mower shredder. PM me if you can help. A 5' mower is about right for my Massy 1260 |
Posted By: macvette
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2016 at 9:23am
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When I was a kid, the neighbor who would NEVER own anything that wasn't John Deere, bought a brand new New Idea corn picker. (all his equipment was purchased new) Didn't want to discuss with neighbors why his new picker wasn't John Deere. Some years later, admitted that the New Idea was better than John Deere pickers! |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2018 at 5:27pm
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I recently acquired a NI 270 cut-ditioner for haying. It's an earlier chain driven flail cupped rotor with an clutch over-ride situated after it's gearbox. I'm impressed by it. On tight corners, I shutoff tractor's pto. The cut-ditioner immediately stops it's pto shaft thus saving it's yokes & bearings. The flail rotor continues to spin from its own inertia until tractor's pto is re-engaged. Works great! I also acquired a NI 404 5 wheel rake. It does a great job too. I love its simplicity.   |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2018 at 11:51pm
| there are 2 uni harvesters on an auction coming up, I think was either big iron or del Petersen, they have grain conveyers mounted on them, they appeared to be newer units. |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2018 at 8:52am
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Something like this one? Uni 708 hydro with a Perkins T6 354 Turbo (138 hp) With the 4N corn head, it only cost me $1500 more than a good 2N pull type picker.  |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2018 at 9:23am
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The Uni Harvester were a Minn-Mo first. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2018 at 2:29pm
Was that at an intersection on HWY 18 that is signed as Bellevue? I used to drive past whenever heading to the coast from Mac. I never bothered to turn my head and look, though. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 9:36am
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The New Idea line was slowly absorbed into the Hesston line. The last straw for anything New Idea was the spreader line. They moved the spreader production to Jackson MN where they production ended finally. For some reason the price of the machines jumped when it was moved to Jackson and for some reason they could not load as many spreaders on the semi trailers which increased the trucking expenses, thus finally killing the spreader line. The current box spreader offered by AGCO is a decaled H&S. We have a New Idea round baler, spreader and corn picker on our farm. You can blame AGCO all you want for the death of New Idea but the fact is their customer base is disappearing at an alarming rate. Their equipment was catered to the small dairy and livestock farmer. In a neighboring county last year we lost over 20 dairy farms....... New Idea didn't build IH hay equipment, Hesston did. They had a joint venture, when Fiat/New Holland purchased CaseIH the line was fully sold to AGCO and the CaseIH hay equipment is now provided by New Holland. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: Craig/insoh
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 10:35am
| I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NEW IDEA BUILT THE CASE IH 3309 DISC MOWER CONDITIONER AND CASE IH HAY RAKES AT THE SAME TIME PERIOD! We have 5209 New Idea discbines and 2 406 hay rakes hydraulic drive 86 and 96 Case IH numbers and buy parts at Case NH dealer because the parts were cheaper! Norm Swinfords book has a New Idea Uni System in it I think in power unit section for 3500A engine Black and White picture! We also have 1 701 292 chevy gas, 2 702 401 GM v6 gas, and one with 401 block diesel, 2 708 T6 354 Perkins, and 1 801 w/3500A in it Uni Systems! Also 839 husking bed with 846N 6 row corn head to pick corn! |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 12:13pm
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As I said, the New Idea line was absorbed into the Hesston line. The Hesston/IH partnership precedes AGCOs involvement but when they did come along New Idea machines were integrated into the lineup. Some of the CaseIH round balers were New Ideas as well. You can still see some New Idea design if at least one piece look at a MF/Hesston 1359 mower conditioner. Does that make better sense? Its hard to explain it by typing it. Im sure the parts can be cheaper at times from CaseIH vs AGCO at time. It can vary from dealer to dealer as well. After working at a dealer for nearly 20 years I have learned that there is NO consistency to parts pricing. Not one brand is cheaper than the other. I will give you an example, a few years ago I needed plunger bearings for my AC 303 baler, they were the same as New Holland plunger bearings, I thought maybe I should price them through AGCO, guess what, AGCO was nearly half the price!!!!! Both bearings were identical, same supplier, builder location etc. Now one would think that NH would have been the better price due to the fact that they built MANY more square balers than any AGCO heritage brands would have. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 2:38pm
We have a New Idea double frame corn planter like this one. It was made by Kinze for New Idea and is nothing but a double frame Kinze painted orange. In fact there is blue paint under the orange. The guy we got it from bought it new from the New Idea dealer sometime in the early 90s. |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 3:59pm
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On the Umi, I am looking for a corn head for mine. 6 row x 24" spacing. 30+ years ago, a number of companies made a few 1000 of them. It's looking like I am going to have to take a 6 row N or W and cut it down. |
Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2018 at 6:23pm
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There was overlap between CaseIH and New Idea. I am not sure who made what but I think they each made stuff for one another. New Idea had a forage harvester,haybine and square baler that were IH. IH had the New Idea 484-483 round baler and the 5209 discbine that New Idea built. New Idea sold the IH 1190 haybine and a rake that was IH as well.New Idea pickers were not near as good as people think as they shelled way to much corn on the ground. They did a great job of husking and left you with the prettiest crib of corn but if you look close the bottom two inches of corn are missing and are out in the field. The new corn varieties make it even worse. There was a reason that AC won the national corn picking contests in the 60's as the plates over the rolls saved the most corn. My grandfather had an AC picker and the landlord made him sell it as he did not want to see cribs of corn that still had some husks on them. Grandfather tried to tell him that he had more corn to feed as it was in the crib and not the field but they farmed on halves so the AC picker was sold. As far as the Uni-system anything that does everyting does nothing right. They were a great picker but the combine and chopper left a lot to be desired. Dad had a Uni with a Deere 4 row corn head and that machine could really pick some corn in a day. I also picked a lot of corn with a two row mounted NewIdea picker on a series II D15. Tom |