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    Posted: 26 Nov 2016 at 8:05pm
Just got off the phone with Glenn Bridges from Kentucky. Glenn writes about developing a toy model, he has built of Allis-Chalmers, and gives a brief history of the unit in each issue of the Upper Midwest A-C Club's newsletter.

Glenn and I were talking tonight and he brought up the subject of New Idea equipment and where did it go? You don't hear about New Idea much anymore. I was going to email this information to Glenn, personally, but I decided to share the same information with our forum friends.

So, here it goes:
New Idea was birthed in 1899 when Joseph Oppenheim created the first mechanical manure spreader in Maria Stein, Ohio, USA. He died shortly after the first few were built, and B.C. Oppenheim and his son-in-law, Henry Synck took over the leadership of the company. It was first known as Oppenheim's New Idea, and in 1904 changed its name to New Idea Spreader Company[1]

In 1912, all operations were moved to Coldwater, OH. The company was sold in 1945 to AVCO[2]

In 1984 the New Idea division was purchased by White Farm Equipment to form White-New Idea, a division of the Allied Products Corporation. In 1993, AGCO purchased White-New Idea. AGCO, and White before it, also manufactured tractors at the Coldwater, OH plant, but in 1999, AGCO closed the plant. Hay product manufacturing was moved to the Hesston plant in Hesston, KS.

The New Idea brand was dropped by AGCO around 2007.

Referenced from http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/New_Idea
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Howdy Randy,
I just finished restoring a New Idea Seed/ Fertilizer spreader. Its pto and ground driven. Nice little unit, it holds 4000 ibs or 67 bushel.  If I couid post pics I would.

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A year or two ago I bought a New Idea Model 100 (10') Fertilizer Spreader in Indiana. It had the optional Grass Seeder attachment on it. I haven't used it yet, and plan on repainting/restoring it first. On the way home we came right through Coldwater, OH where it was made. I stopped in a barber shop to ask where the factory was located. It happened to be just a few blocks away, so I drove by it with the spreader on the back of the truck. Got some looks from the folks sitting outside at a picnic table on a smoke break. Don't know if any of them realized the "Homecoming" or not. The factory is being used by various companies. The Barber told me there was a local man trying to get some sort of New Idea museum started there. Dad or Grandpa had one of these spreaders when I was a kid. It will look good behind the WD45 or CA when I'm done. Does anyone happen to have the paint code for the green and orange paints used on this 1950's vintage New Idea equipment?
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Nice to see that New Idea is still alive
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Dad still has a NI manure spreader and round baler from the late 80's grey and silver era. Both are good machines, simple and reliable.
The New Idea manure spreader is still built as a Massey as is the New Idea disc mower.
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I worked for AVCO in Nashville,TN. They built the New Idea implements there before I went to work there. The old timers had seen a lot from the P38s,C130s,C5As,Bell Helicopters,Boeing 757, Space shuttle and the B1B . Worked on all the government planes and projects. 27 acres under roof. Tracy
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There was a BIG EPA issue with the Coldwater Plant and Agco.  I do not remember all the details.  The US Super Fund clean up was even involved at some point. When Agco bought  DA the owners KHD assumed all environmental issues - of which there were many.  Lead and lead paint buried was one we heard of.   Funny that the plant was OK unless bein sold THEN it was not ok...  govt at its finest...   
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Randy,  Funny, this turned over a "rock" in my memory.  While we did not sell New Idea when we were selling Allis Chalmers Equipment - mid 30's to 1962 - New Idea was a known producer of agricultural equipment.  Always high quality.
I went to my library and MR SWINFORD's "The Proud Heritage of AGCO Tractors" looking for mention of New Idea.  As noted, this is primarily a tractor book not an implement book.  However, I do find mention of White New Idea in the book but no specifically New Idea equipment.
If I recall it was some of the better haying, corn picking, and manure handling equipment made.
Wish I could be more specific but besides memory it is gone.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Good Luck!
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All of the Allis-Chalmers dealers I can remember were also New Idea dealers.  Probably part of the reason that you don't see a whole lot of Allis-Chalmers hay rakes and mowers and corn pickers and manure spreaders and such.  Even on our farm at home there are Allis-Chalmers tractor and tillage implements and Gleaner combines but there were  New Idea hay rakes and mowers and manure spreaders  and corn pickers.


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My grandfather was allis chalmers and new idea dealer. That stinks agco dropped the name totally
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My aunt bought a New Idea one row corn picker for either $1 or $1.50 at an auction in the late 1970's, Dad and I ended up towing it home for her, since her bumper had a ball mounted.

My cousin and I spent a few days and a tube or so of grease freeing it up, then he used it to pick corn for couple of years.

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We used to run nothing but new idea corn pickers and manure spreaders. Stood up real well. Had a new idea fertilizer spreader also.
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Dad sold New Idea along side Allis Chalmers.  I think their are some parts available through AGCO  Most likely parts that interchange with other equipment.   He sold a lot of UNI SYSTEMS hardly ever see any of them anymore.
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New Idea was the only other equipment brand on our farm growing up ; manure spreader , hay conditioner , bale loader , corn picker . The local dealer was a Case dealer and close to our farm . My grandfather liked Allis but did not get along with local AC dealer so much .
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New Idea got the UNI-Systems from Minneapolis Moline, they called it UNI-HARVESTER.
I ran a 2 row corn picker, mounted on one, back in the early '60's.

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We have a uni 704 with the 401 gmc v6 and other than it being 2wd we love it. Would really like to find a 709 with the 426 Allis or a 708 with the perkins in 4wd.
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New Idea pickers are about the best made. The Coldwater plant is only about 60 miles away. Grandpa's dealership sold New Idea and New Holland along with A-C. The dealer he worked at after his closed sold New Idea too
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I bought a New Idea 5 wheel hay rake new in 1976 from Lehman Bros. They used to be a MM dealer west of Amity Oregon. They had a lot of MM. A bunch of the old MM Uni-farmers with all kind of equipment mounted. A Manure spreader, a baler, forage chopper and combines....James
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My Dad owned a NI manure speader. It was well built pto type & held up good. I think it had 8bolt hubs & 24" tires. I know us kids overloaded it often. Wet manure would squat its tires.
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Neighbors that bought our dairy had the big UNI with the A-C 426. Said it was great until they had to change head systems as suddenly both hired hands would call-in sick. Took two men all day to change it over as they fully serviced the unit front to back at the same time.
They put plenty of crops up with the old gal as big operation, three Harvestore and three concrete stave silos.
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Didn't New Idea build some of the IH haying equipment in the 70's....James
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Originally posted by Mrgoodwrench Mrgoodwrench wrote:

We have a uni 704 with the 401 gmc v6 and other than it being 2wd we love it. Would really like to find a 709 with the 426 Allis or a 708 with the perkins in 4wd.

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There was an IH mower conditioner that used the same parts as my Hesston PT-10. I'm thinking the IH model was 495 but its been a long time since I know that was for sure.

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Originally posted by NEVER green NEVER green wrote:


Originally posted by Mrgoodwrench Mrgoodwrench wrote:

We have a uni 704 with the 401 gmc v6 and other than it being 2wd we love it. Would really like to find a 709 with the 426 Allis or a 708 with the perkins in 4wd.


  The 803 A has the 607I engine in it, has the heavier, better crank and rods in it.
I'm sure you are right but the last 803a I saw for sale was a kind near 30k....I see 708/709for 5-10k depending on equipment
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AGCO dropped the New Idea name completely? Nothing made New idea anymore? I thought they bought New Idea? Why would they buy it and then bury it??

Sorry, just hadn't heard this one before. I still run the New Idea Model 30B sickle mower and get the pitman sticks from AGCO. Funny they still make them.............
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AGCO catalog of cutting parts:


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AGCO seems to be good at deserting their heritage in name. But I do believe their manure spreaders today are called Massey Ferguson and are based on the New Idea spreader. Please someone correct me if you know more or I'm wrong.
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That's nice that they carry all those mower parts but can't carry any allis mower parts.
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New Idea bought out the IH hay line.  I had an uncle that worked there when the dies and tooling came in from International. Another thing to consider about the demise of the Coldwater plant is that AGCO didnt get it right away in 1991 when they bought White.  They didnt get New Idea and the Coldwater plant until 1993. 
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