DEF junk

IMO? Big oil is to blame for all of this. Think about it for a minute. Way back in the late 60's and early 70's (Before the phony oil shortage) Cars were getting pretty darn good mileage. We had a new 1972 Chevy Impala 4 dr 350cid 4bbl carb. On the freeway it would do 25 mpg.  It just had a carb and a muffler on the exhaust/tailpipe. No converters for people to steal. No computer. And that boat got between 18/25 city/highway.  My 1st Truck/tractor I bought was a 1974 IH 4070B with a 350 Detroit and a 13 spd. Driving it sensibly it would get between 4.5 and 6 mpg. The exhaust came right off the turbo and straight to the muffler. No computer/def rubbish. Now the 80's gotta get better economy. Emissions got to get cleaned up. So now Big tech gets involved. Big oil/ Big tech. working with the EPA happy happy. Of course, that is the beginning of the end. Emissions are supposedly better. But, at the cost of mpg. Well, now who would benefit from this? Any guesses? Now Big Tech. has to be more involved too. Big oil and Big tech. Hand in Hand stroll into the 90's and beyond. And, here we are. My current 2023 car probably wouldn't fit in the trunk of that Impala. And, gets 35 mpg. on the freeway. I just retired from trucking and the last truck I drove ? 2024 Peterbilt 579 w/paccar engine and all the emissions crap got right around 5.5mpg. I would have to have a $10,000 scanner to diagnose either one of them. Here we are 40 some odd years later? The cars and trucks get similar mileage to what they got back then. Big tech adds 3 to 4 times the price to those old cars. Big oil makes fuel 3 to4 times higher to back then. Luckily, We have the EPA and Environmentalists to blame it on

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Edited by Ed (Ont) - 26 Jan 2025 at 8:10am

Avg US Consumer for heat and Hot Water with Cooking is around 170cf per day.

For a bit more info Jay. Straight truck hauling gravel anywhere from 200 to 300 litres of fuel everyday. I was in that business for 20 years. Add wagon and you are up to 500 litres a day. Ask the farmer guys what it takes to operate that big 12 row corn head all day at wide open throttle. I think about a 1000 litres. The guys here can correct me as many here know exactly. Do you think we can do that with batteries??? Lol. World will starve. 

My 2024 Silverado 2500HD with a 6.6 L Duramax Diesel, 10 speed Auto. averages about one container, 9 L, DEF per 1,000 miles towing a 15,000 lb. 5th wheel.

The vehicle 'Driver Info. Centre' continuously logs 3 variants of Fuel Consumption.

1) The instantaneous Miles/Gal. - from 0 MPG going down a Grade to 3 or 4 MPG
     going up a Grade.

2) The average MPG for the last 50 miles of driving

3) The best recorded MPG of #2 above over 50 miles.

My Best Recorded MPG is 27.8 Miles per US Gal.

My average MPG towing the 5th Wheel Trailer ran between 8 to 10 MPG

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A Full Time RV'r next to me is towing a 2024 Mobile Suites 5th Wheel TriAxle that weighs in at 24,000 lb. and is 46 ft long. MSRP is US$225,000

His Tow Vehicle is a 2022 GMC 3500HD Dually, but same Engine and Trans as mine.

I asked him how well his Truck performed, and he replied 'Fine, no problem'

Best AVERAGED MPG 8-10, that over excited 20 whatever is Zero throttle in a Decel state running downhill and is not a credible example.

jaybmiller wrote: Holy Hannah ! I could run my house for 5 YEARS on the energy it take to make 4 gallons of DEF !!!!!! Yikes, if THAT was reported int eh 'media', surely something would be done...???? OK, I'm dreaming again, silly me...

Jay

Are you referring to the $20 Billion total that Ont. is providing in Cash and the Feds are providing in Tax exemptions to Volkswagen to build a Battery Plant in St. Thomas?

How many Volkswagen Assembly Plants are there in Canada? Nil

How many of these Volkswagen Batteries will GM, Ford, Stellantis receive NIL

Batteries will be shipped out of the Country to only be used in Volkswagens.

Volkswagen Sales have been plummeting rapidly since 2020

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