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How did the Massey Harris compared to the Allis Chalmers?
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Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

Im 49 years old and in my lifetime have witnessed so many changes. Almost everyone hauled grain to the local elevator in a pickup truck! Some pickups had side boards for more capacity!! Dont forget the gunny sacks to keep the grain from leaking out at the tailgate! Nowadays its a different world. These new machines may have all the comforts of your living room at home but there is something to be said for those that love the land to get some dust in their nose and enjoy some of the same things their ancestors did. Ryan


I am 43 and it was still mostly pickup trucks in line at the elevator when I was a kid. I used to ride there with dad in his big dump truck and it took forever to get to dump because they had to hoist all of those pickup trucks. A few of them actually had the grain in gunnysacks that they had to dump into the sump because they were still running an old pull type combine with a bagger.   Back in the mid 1970s quite a few farmers around here were still running pull type, AC All crops, and Deere Model 30s. The BTOs (i.e. anyone row cropping 80 acres or more) had self propelled IH 105s and 315s, Gleaner EIIIs and Ks, Massey 205s and 300s, Deere 45s and 55s, and there were even a couple of old Oliver 525s around here too.   

Dad traded for a new Deere 4400 diesel when I was four years old and that thing was the biggest combine around here. It really doesn't seem like that long ago either!







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Speaking of the pickup trucks hauling grain, our mother often agreed to be the driver to the elevator. Our 3/4 ton Chevy with sideboards would hold around 90 bushel + or -. She would be waiting sometimes for HOURS just to get the truck full. Then the trip to the elevator to sometimes wait in line for minutes or hours. And nobody had a cell phone! Oh the good ol days!! Ryan

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Originally posted by Auntwayne Auntwayne wrote:

   Now Darrel, 16 gallons an acre is not correct no matter how you slice it or dice it. That number is way out of whack.

According to the Nebraska tractor tests, an Allis-Chalmers D17 with gas engine, will burn about 4 gallons a hour. Pulling 3-14 plow, would use 4 gallons an acre. About 2 gals to disk X 2, then harrow, plant, cultivate twice, spray, and harvest, and either process the grain on the farm, or haul it to town, 16 gallons might be on the shy side.
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    I already had this ciphered before I read the last post. Using 1 gallon per job. Plow....disc....disc....harrow... plant....cult....cult....combine. That's 8 gallons, but I did not allow the extra fuel for plowing (my bad). So if Nebraska says add 4, now we are talking about 11 gallons.    Duane
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Originally posted by Auntwayne Auntwayne wrote:

    I already had this ciphered before I read the last post. Using 1 gallon per job. Plow....disc....disc....harrow... plant....cult....cult....combine. That's 8 gallons, but I did not allow the extra fuel for plowing (my bad). So if Nebraska says add 4, now we are talking about 11 gallons.    Duane

But, you still haven't hauled it out of the field, put it in a bin, (or crib), shelled it or taken it to town. If your feeding it to livestock, then there's the fuel to turn it into livestock feed, and care for the animal.

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   I will add one gallon,12. 24 foot harrow doesn't use a gallon per acre , now we are splitting hair. Just because someone heard someone say something does not make it so.
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Don't forget rotary hoe once. I would bet they used more then 16. A 190 gas would burn a tank a day just idling sitting on the end.....LOL
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   I was going to throw the rotary hoe in for the odd year that it was needed just in case. Harrow/ rotary hoe, still 1 gallon.    Duane
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A lot of farmers cultivated their crops 3 times when it was wire checked, I don't know how long ago the 16 gal. estimate was, but I remember as a kid riding on the tractor with Dad and he cultivated twice a year like many.  This was after wire checking was a thing of the past.  The typical system he had was either fall moldboard plow, spring disk (once or twice as needed), plant, spray, 2 cultivator passes, and harvest.  If he did it different, it was to disk, chisel plow, spring disk (once or twice as needed), plant spray, two pass cultivate, then harvest.  That was in the 80's, now I one pass field cultivate, plant 1 or 2 pass as needed spray, and harvest on corn ground.  On bean ground I just no-till plant the beans, 1 or 2 pass spray for weeds as needed, 1 pass spray for bugs as needed, and harvest.  Either way I'll burn a lot less fuel than what Dad did, but equipment technology and practices have improved since the 70's when Dad started farming, and the 80's when I started helping.  Dad rode with me once in my N5 Gleaner and couldn't get over how fast I was driving (4.5 to 5 mph), and now with my R50 in similar conditions I can go faster yet if I want to. 
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I guess I should have started a new thread for "fuel consumption then and now". The numbers I threw out came from a guy who sold fuel to my brother when he was the manager at a cenex for 17 years. I had just met this guy in my brother's hospital room a few days before he passed away, and I got to talking about fuel and crude oil prices. I asked him what his thoughts were on crude oil prices being low, and he said that one of the reasons was due to people driving less than they used to. That really surprised me, because I thought people were driving more than ever. At least I am. Then I asked him if he knew any statistics on farm fuel usage. He had the answer without even hesitating. Now I am not 100 per cent sure of the years that he said it was 16+ gallons per acre, but I know it was 60s -70s era, but I know that he said today's usage was the 4+ gallons per acre. I have put a lot of thought into what he said, and I think they seem like realistic numbers. Got to remember, they are probably national averages, and not necessarily what happens in any one person's back yard. One small example that I see that kind of supports the numbers, is that I can picture my father in law plowing in the past with a gas guzzler, and having to make roughly 3 passes on a half mile strip to have an acre done. Now, some of my big farmer neighbors will cover 4 acres in one half mile pass.
   Didn't mean to cause controversy on an otherwise very nice thread. I just thought it was a pretty accurate assessment, and thought it was very interesting. Darrel
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Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:


Speaking of the pickup trucks hauling grain, our mother often agreed to be the driver to the elevator. Our 3/4 ton Chevy with sideboards would hold around 90 bushel + or -. She would be waiting sometimes for HOURS just to get the truck full. Then the trip to the elevator to sometimes wait in line for minutes or hours. And nobody had a cell phone! Oh the good ol days!! Ryan



When I was a kid we didn't even have our own landline phone. We shared our phone line with the neighbors who lived on a farm a couple miles up the road until circa 1980. I told a friend who is about ten years younger than I am about this and he looked at me like I was describing life on another planet. He had never even heard of a multi-party phone line. 






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Ah yes, party lines! I'm "only" 49, and we had a party line until, I don't know, maybe I was 8 or 9? You only answered the phone on a certain ring pattern, or it wasn't your call. My Dad was in the air force 1956-60. He served with a guy from Warsaw, South Carolina. 2 quick stories about this guy: His grandpa took him to the train station with a horse and buggy to go to his basic training. Grandpa asks, "How long you gonna be?" "4 years," says Smitty. "I'll wait."

Smitty came over to Mom and Dad's place to use their phone to call home. He picks up the phone and says, "Operator, get me Warsaw South Carolina." Long pause......"Hello, Ma?!" Hahaha!!!
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Originally posted by VAfarmboy VAfarmboy wrote:

Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:


Speaking of the pickup trucks hauling grain, our mother often agreed to be the driver to the elevator. Our 3/4 ton Chevy with sideboards would hold around 90 bushel + or -. She would be waiting sometimes for HOURS just to get the truck full. Then the trip to the elevator to sometimes wait in line for minutes or hours. And nobody had a cell phone! Oh the good ol days!! Ryan



When I was a kid we didn't even have our own landline phone. We shared our phone line with the neighbors who lived on a farm a couple miles up the road until circa 1980. I told a friend who is about ten years younger than I am about this and he looked at me like I was describing life on another planet. He had never even heard of a multi-party phone line. 


We had a party line also at the farm back in the day. 

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I know my dad would say I am peeing in the wind my farm insurance is several times more than the fuel to seed spar and harvest I'm looking at 50 ft chisel plows now my cummins in my bud will pull any load at .75 gal an acer no more seeding 500 dollar a bag conola to break even some of my land will be fallow unless basis improves and we can project a profit and more importantly lock in a profit my time will be spent either with my family working on our collection of tractors or running my construction equipment creating wealth for my family hard questions to ask yourself who benefiting from your work I agree with shameless the true wealth is in our farmland but being 3 miles from the bakken discovery well running out of oil is joke the govt will not allow small company's to drill the many zones that have oil all across this country the bonding spacing and every other law is set up for the majors will hundreds of lawyers
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For our corn crop dad and I when I was old enough(8) would plow the field. then one pass with a disk, Pick the stones, 2 corner passes with spring tooth harrows. Pant the corn when up ankle high the first pass with the cultivator, (I hated that slow work because I could not let my mind wander) At knee high a second pass or sooner if we had a hard driving rain that dad said packed the soil, At thigh high one last pass with the cultivator then the picking.

Oats and wheat were pretty much the same except no cultivating. I liked the Massey 44 better than the Case VAC because it steered easier and had more power.

Massey 44 power.

Engine: 45 hp [33.6 kW]

Drawbar (claimed): 31 hp [23.1 kW]

PTO (claimed): 44 hp [32.8 kW]

Drawbar (tested): 43.6 hp [32.5 kW]

Belt (tested): 48.95 hp [36.5 kW


Allis WD 45

Drawbar (claimed): 23 hp [17.2 kW]

30 hp [22.4 kW]

Belt (claimed): 29 hp [21.6 kW]

39 hp [29.1 kW]

Plows: 4

Drawbar (tested): 38.53 hp [28.7 kW]

Belt (tested): 44.13 hp [32.9 kW]

We drove Studs. My aunt had came to visit that day and she drove the Ford. Her son is sitting on the left fender of the VAC.


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Originally posted by Ken in Texas Ken in Texas wrote:

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The way Grandpa and Grandma did it in "48". Picked it and shucked it and tossed it in the wagon. Before we got the 39B the wagon was pulled to the crib with horses. I was 8 at the time and helped unload ear corn into the crib. Later a custom sheller with his truck would show up and shell everything in the crib and grind some for chicken scratch.
I still have the hand corn planters my family used and the husking pins they used when picking field corn. We never owned a corn picker.
The custom sheller would also grind the cobs for chicken litter. They went back in the crib until we needed them
 
We would open the field that way..But heres the rub..we would have to work our way thru the the picker filled wagon of corn and husk what the picker missed...about 10 ton per year...still cant understand what the point of that was...BTW is that insul-brick siding?  Had that on gramps house...that is some ugly siding!
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220allis, for the love of god dude, punctuate once in a while. Even on a phone, it isn't that hard! Wow.
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Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

I was out at the farm tonight watching our neighbor shell corn in his Case IH combine. Its a 8230. It was running a 8 row head and he was topped out and unloading or waiting to unload every 7 to 8 minutes. I could only imagine what the founders of our family farm would think because they picked corn by hand and put it in a horse drawn wagon less than 80 years ago. Ryan


While impressive compared to "the good ol days" I figured I would mention that a friend with a R70 Gleaner can fill his 310 bushel bin in 9 minutes without pushing it to the max, due to him still running an open gear black cornheader. Imagine what it would do if he hogged it with a Hugger! :O

It would be interesting to see when the competitors finally matched the productivity of the N7/R7/R70....
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I don't know about the new Gleaners but when they come to harvest the corn next door there is normally a fleet of 6 JD machines. After they leave MY dad would have been real pissed with what is left on the ground that went straight thru those JD machines. The deer work the stubble for months.

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Alley, I don't know how much of that is the green machine and how much is operator not setting the combine properly- plus running like a striped A$$ ape.  You get a fleet of 6 combines and hired help, IMO that's what happens.  All that help is thinking about is the next field and quitting time.

Both of my renters run newer JD machines last year ( 680 and 97xx)  and run the machines themselves-not hired help and I haven't seen any volunteer corn problems.
 
BTW, party line at folks also till the phone company did away with the party lines- mid 80's I'd guess.
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Back in the '30's and '40's men would leave here and go to In. and Il. to hand gather corn and cut broom corn. My Father in law said one year he worked for a man in southern In. that a was big time operator for the times. He owned a lot of land and kept several teams of large horses. He said that man had a Cadillac car I think and he had a hitch on it. He would hitch the wagons to that car and pull them to town or wherever.JP 
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All those JD machines are leased machines. About 4 years ago they were Case IH machines For a couple years.
I never figured they were going all that fast compared to any other places I have seen them combining.

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