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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gateman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2025 at 8:54am
It dies if you release the parking break. That’s the reason for putting in the resistor to mimic the seat switch when you’re sitting on it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2025 at 9:11am
I think JAY IS RIGHT.... when you pull the PLUG off, it SHORTS OUT the two wires internal.... You dont need a resistor, you just need to cut one wire to OPEN the circuit....Removing the plug is the same as Jumpering the two wires together.. BOTH are a SHORT.

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As I said before- this is a relay logic circuit.  If you added a resistor, it wasn't the resistor that had any effect, it cannot.  Resistors are not 'magic bullets'. 

So I second Steve and Jay - I would bet that you disconnected the switch right AT the switch, leaving the connector intact.

Steve's blue note above is correct-  on MANY safety switches on these machines, the manufacturer added a shorting leaf to the harness side of the connector that, IF the switch is removed (which would result in an open circuit, thus defeated switch), there's a 'safety leaf' that shorts the wires, causing it to then always kill.  This is to prevent widespread disconnection of the seat safety switch, as that was found to be extremely common when the inclusion of these devices (and the result of their malfunction) appeared in the mid '80s.  It was, in effect, a safety-within-a-safety, which in theory, made sense, but in practice, made matters worse.

This all started, by the way, as a result of the Consumer Product Safety Act of 1972, and rather than doing it through government, they contracted a non-government organization called "Consumer Union" (now a magazine called Consumer Reports) to write it all into rules and regulation.

This was authoritized through 15 USC 2051, and as a result of 15 US Code 2068, grants regulatory authority (by virtue of the Consumer Product Safety Commission) to a private publications magazine.

More references:

US Code Title 16 Chapter II Subchapter B part
US Code 16 CFR 1205
ANSI B71-1-1972

2051 Congressional Findings (determining that the public can't think for themselves)
2052 Definitions
2056 Consumer Product Safety Standards (para (c) is where some dirt is hidden...)
2058 Procedure for consumer product safety code (writing rules)
2063 Certification and Labeling
2063 Prohibited acts (offering it for sale without meeting standards, and enforcement of recalls
2068 Authority (placing it in the control of an NGO)



The truth is in the logic of the wiring diagram.  The insanity, is the path by which it came to us.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jaybmiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2025 at 9:57am
gee Dave, one day your head will explode from all the neat info you know.
That will be a very sorry day !!!
My thought is the 'legs' of the 10K open up the 2 switches that short mag to ground.
Could use 100K, 1M, 4K7....toothpicks in connector ..same effect
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My favorite, Jay, is the tooth of a plastic fork!  Jamb it in, break it off, and it's good!  ;-)

The seat on my Bob-Cat 60 was suffering the nasty weathered cracked-up vinyl syndrome... y'know, the type that if the missus sits on it, the sharp curled up edges bite into her legs, and the foam (although in the sun) has plenty of moisture in it and soaks her behind.

Well... I solved that.  I made a new seat frame consisting of right and left side rails, and made up a really strong canvas hammock that stretched between the rails on the bottom, and another between rails of the top.  No foam, just flex and stretch... when it rains, the canvas gets wet, but I waxed it lightly, so most beads up and runs off, and what DOES soak in, dries out immediately.


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sure... NOW you suggest  a plastic fork NOW that they've been BANNED in Canada,eh !!!
The wooden wonders come wrapped in plastic though........
Sigh, the seat reminds me of the ones in the old twin Beech on floats ,dbl sigh, that was 1/2 century ago.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Les Kerf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2025 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by DaveKamp DaveKamp wrote:

...the manufacturer added a shorting leaf to the harness side of the connector that, IF the switch is removed (which would result in an open circuit, thus defeated switch), there's a 'safety leaf' that shorts the wires, causing it to then always kill...

This makes sense.
Of course, they neglected to include this in the schematic Tongue
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