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DougG 
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 Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 8:52pm |
I just came from Sedelia Mo to Linn Mo. on hwy 50 and I would be ashamed of the corn coming up in all the fields along 50 ; its bad ; brand new combines running and that much loss ; thats a joke whoevers fault it is !!!
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:31pm |
dont forget Deere's other machine ...CTS
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TREVMAN
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 11:57am |
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I gotta jump in here. My brotherinlaw is as crazy for deere as I am for allis/gleaner. He has a 9600 and a CTS. Ive run them both. They both are well built machines fairly easy to work on. He is an operator and both machines do a good job for him in wheat, canola, flax, barely, oats, peas. He doesnt leave a hell of a lot behind either machine, says its too hard to grow to leave it in the field. By the way, he has 1200 acres in crop. 5-6 days in the field, and he is done. I hope he doesnt see this post as I am always telling him his machines are big piles of s**t! TREV.
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:10pm |
Trev I think your numbers dont add up 6 days x 200 acres a day is 1200 acres. Not with one combine unless your running 24 hours a day and its a class 8 with 40ft heads. I also saw where you where getting 1200 acres done in 10 days with a L2/L3. Thats 120 a day. I just dont see where you get those numbers. We run an A85 with a 40ft flex draper. We cut 170 acres in one day. That was from 8 in the morning till 8 that night. We were only running 4 to 4.5 because the beans are tough this year but testing 10. When we shell corn we run a 12 row at 5 mph. Get 120 to 140 a day. If your corn is good thats 28000 bu to haul away,it takes alot of trucks ,and close to the dumping area. What alot of you guys are forgeting. I am guilty as well. We never harvested corn early,we never harvested 200 bu corn. And we never run wide heads fast 40 years ago. You harvested in late Oct or Nov. It frosted every night. If you slow down you can slow the head down, BUT the combine is going to burn x amount of fuel an hour. If you get 5 more acres an hour with the same gallons you might be money ahead loosing a little at the header running faster. Its about net on everything. Burn less fuel,loose a little,or burn more fuel and save a little,which is better ? I dont know . I do know that we harvested beans last week and got 10.96. There are guys that where going slower and harvesting beans this week,and they are paying 10.10. That is 43.00 an acre more getting them cut last week because we were driving to fast.You just never know. Sorry I missed the 2 combines on the second post,but I have seen more 9600 that cant get 100 acres a day then 9600 s that can. I sure dont want to make anyone mad all I am saying is THERE IS MORE THEN MEETS THE EYE.
IG
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Roddo
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:12pm |
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He has a 9600 and a CTS. |
Guess you missed that.
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Steve M C/IL
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:37pm |
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It's the year more than the machine.Everything around here is solid green from HEAD SHELLING,rain and warm weather.Had the same problem with my F2/4-30's as the neighbor with the 8 row STS.For all of you who claim it's the operator,show me your field....oh,you don't have one.It also doesn't matter what results you or someone you know once got some years ago.This is a different year and todays hybrids are not like they used to be.
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ACmowerguy
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 10:27pm |
This has been an interesting post. Just as Steve mentions todays hybrids are a whole different animal. The weather has also been a problem. As others have said, Deere's dealer network is part of the reason there are so many green combines in the fields. I work in the parts dept. for a JD dealer, we have excellent parts availability. At least here in MO, AGCO dealers are few and far between, and about half of them don't even sell new equipment, they have "parts only" contracts.
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DMiller
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:53am |
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Watched a man combining beans yesterday in Loutre Bottoms, dust was so thick he had to stop and wait for it to clear to continue in spots. As he finished a row he stopped for water and to clean w/s also inspected head, there were a lot of beans not making it through the head on his Deere.
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Lonn
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 7:46am |
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Back when I was a kid in the 70's and early 80's you could tell what fields were combines by a Deere. Corn fields that is. It wasn't always the operator. The corn heads on the Deere machines at the time were the problem. Too many ears bouncing out. A harvested corn field would look like an old Oliver picker had been through it as the stalks would be still standing but at an angle. Another thing is walker loss with a Deere but that is taken care of by slowing down. I'm not exaggerating at all that you could literally pick out the corn fields harvested by a Deere combine or Oliver picker. We never had much volunteer corn with Dad's old E.
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John (C-IL)
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 8:05am |
Some have pointed it out already, but the brand of combine has very little to do with what we are seeing in the field right now. Remember that the seeding rate for corn is about 32,000 seeds per acre, that is about 1/3 bushel. Acceptable field losses are in the 2 to 3 bushel area, or around 250,000 kernals per acre, that's 6 kernals per square foot.
You are all correct and it does look bad, but most of those fields had acceptable losses. The problem was made worse by early maturing because of the higher degree days this year, poor stalk quality and poor cob quality. Corn harvested at 16% and lower moisture will have much higher field losses due to shelling at the head. Also, that seed has had an opportunity to germinate this year and that doesn't normally happen.
Don't blame the combine, as stated by others, the operator has more control of field losses than any other factor. The other part is speed, and going slower isn't always the answer. The threshing unit on all combines must be kept full for complete and efficient harvesting.
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wi50
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 9:59am |
My family has been custom harvesting here for many years and I've been operating and fixing combines for longer than I care to rember. We run a couple of Deere machines, 9510 and a 9560 STS. We had a Gleaner R62 for several years. It was a good machine. Here we have mostly small fields, rolling hills and lots of dairy. Corn is harvested with a 6 row head, 30" rows and we cut beans and wheat with 25" flex heads. Most oats, barley, etc is still swathed. I spent more time working on the Gleaner than I do the Deere's, things were built light, rear axil tubes were to light and would break in the center and also outside near the spindles. Clean grain elevator drives, berrings were to small. The head drives, electric clutch was to light and would break also. Sure we have problems with the Deere but not near as much and more random things. The Deere service network and parts availability is much better, though the electronics are more complicated, at least the Gleaner had switches instead of timers with values and adresses to program into a controller. When turning a corner and lifting the head at the same time, the Gleaner was alwayse short on oil. The Gleaner did have a better rock prevention system.
In severe sidehills the 9560 STS Deere will hold more groundspeed without loss in the same conditions as the R62 Gleaner, both machines have sidehill kits on the chaffer, but the transverse rotor in the the Gleaner is the downfall. If the discharge is on the downhill side, you go verry slow. In wet corn, 30-40% moisture we harvest for dairy farms, I had a lot of problems plugging the chaffer and sieve in the Gleaner, broken pieces of cob jamming the Deere never gives problems in that area, in corn that wet you have to close down the rotor and speed it up breaking the cob to get it all thrashed. In snow I also have less problems plugging with the Deere than I do with the Gelaner. IN dry corn both machines work well. In dry high yeilding corn where conditions allow one to run high groundspeed the Deere will outrun the Gleaner the clean grain elevator will not keep up and the head will not pull crop in fast enough.
The Gleaner corn head will not pick up down corn like the Deere, it's more like a dozer, also in an all out run for ground speed in good conditions and dry corn the Deere will take about 3mph more than the other one.
There's nothing wrong with the Gleaner, but I do like the green one better. It's years of experiance in lots of conditions. Not driveing down the road looking in fields. I can't sat that either machine has more field loss than the other, I set up and run at an acceptable rate. You need to realize that it's roughly $100 per seperator hour to run a newer machine (it's 130 to lease it and then $15-$25 per hour for a head) in ownership costs, intrest, depreciation, etc. Now put an operator in it, fuel, a tractor and cart allong with it and another operator and fuel, I can take a little loss and save a pile of money. At the end of the day a couple more or less bushel of crop mean nothing. A couple more acres done or less hours worked add up.
Combines are like snomobiles, they are all junk mo matter what color or age. Everyone has different expectations from a piece of equipment. I'm just going off years of experience and real world conditions.
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 11:27am |
wi50 wrote:
Combines are like snomobiles, they are all junk mo matter what color or age. Everyone has different expectations from a piece of equipment. |
Ive heard this analogy before. Friend of my dads told us when we bought ours they are like snowmobiles. 1 hour of use is 2 hours of repairs.
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JoeO(CMO)
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 2:04pm |
DougG, I know the fields you are refering to
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 8:16pm |
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After reading Johns post about losses and 6 kernals per square foot, this all seems alot more acceptable!!
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TREVMAN
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 10:07pm |
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Hey ILGLEANER you are not going to make me mad. This forum is fun for me. We are talking apples/oranges here. We grew hard red spring wheat, amber Durum wheat, flax, barley, peas, lentils, canola, and a smattering of fall rye, oats occasionally. There is no corn or soybeans here. In a 40 bushel durum crop picking up a 30 foot windrow or straight cutting with the 24 foot header on our L3, we could do about 120 a day. Our fields were half mile by half mile, so not a lot of turning.I can account for every load in a 400 bushel gmc truck that didnt have power steering because my dad didnt believe in it!Thats about 5000 bushels a day. Both my broinlaws machines are substantially larger than an L3, so he easily covers 200 acres a day. In corn, no chance. The heaviest Durum crop we ever took was 60 bushel on a quarter section. Its dryland farming here. In a 30 bushel wheat crop, we could move at 5mph with the L3, we did a quarter one time. Still didnt want to see any coming out the back, TREV.
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 10:25pm |
Trevman,
That makes more sense now. I drove my old L3 cutting 55 bus. beans the other day. Cut 40 acres in 4 different fields and was proud as a peacock. The fields were 18,6,6 and finished a 30 that I had done the other day. I like to use it to cut our patches and not have to change heads on the big combine.
IG
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TREVMAN
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 11:46pm |
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There is an L3 with 1000 seperator hours in our neck of the woods here. It has a 13 foot pickup header an a melroe 388 pickup. It looks like it must be a few serial numbers either side of the one we had and looks like new.asking price is 10000 or best.Pretty nice machine for cleaning up patches, Makes me want to cry...TREV
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 8:28am |
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We never have green coming up behind our ole 1440 International. I'm sure it has nothing to with the fact that every spring or fall we have delays on planting or harvesting. Just like right now the corn is plenty dry and we haven't backed the machine out of the shed cause both my uncle and I work full time jobs and only have evenings and weekends to get things done. And right now as I have been posting on the shops section we have been putting up a new grain bin. So its always October before we get started and frost is always shortly after so the loss never has a chance to sprout. Kinda wish we would get things done early enough for it to sprout since we turn the cows on the stalk fields for grazing it would give them more to eat then the loss would become a 0 cause it would save more on hay.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 10:01am |
wi50 wrote:
We had a Gleaner R62 for several years. It was a good machine. |
Your description of how the R62 ran says otherwise. Sounds like a big piece of junk or at least something very unreliable and undesirable.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 11:34am |
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when I worked for the company that bought my granfathers farm, we had New Idea Uni's. 4-row wide, only once in the eight years I worked there did we have a field loss issue and that was a certain hybrid problem,the ears would fall off the stalk just by looking at them. We never started combining before Oct. 1st, if in need of corn we just combined a load a day for the cows untill harvest time. we averaged 750-800 acres per year of corn, never had a grain buggy, just wagons at ends of field usually pulled with a farmall M or 400 to the silo(for high moisture corn) or to the elevator leg.with chores and everything else with dairy and swine if got done before Thanksgiving it was a good year. remenber more than once combining in Jan. after ground froze to finish. Everybody nowaday's is in a fire-ass hurry to get done, the money spent for speed alone is unbelievable
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:24pm |
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You could hear the shatter occurring on the headers here in Virginia this year. 15% corn with only 60 bu/ac average yield.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:32pm |
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WOW!!! 60 bu/ac, will that cover seed and fuel costs?
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:47pm |
Where I am at in the Salt Lake Valley of Utah your corn has to be at 15% or less because there are no driers any where close. The one patch I cut is a corn maze so most of the corn is on the ground before the combine even gets in the field. There is another corn maze 25 miles south of me that is not cut because no one will travel to cut it. The owners shred and bale the stalks with the corn still on. The tires on the JD 4400 would not make the road trip. Thanks Ken
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Being in southern Illinois I look at my area. After reading comments from others, there are many different conditions and even crops in this big country of ours!!
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 7:35pm |
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Right now we're cutting 13+or-% corn and it is shelling at the head soooo bad. Often makes you wonder if you set the combine wrong but then you stop and look where the head was and where the shoe was its all from the head and not the shoe. This is with an 1983 L3 and an 8 row head.
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I agree with many others. Alot of the volunteer corn this year is from lack of rain in our area ( west KY)... allowing for very dry corn early. I could look behind my header while shelling this fall and see tons of corn on the ground. Even with new ear savers, deck plates and snaping rollers still alot of corn hit the ground before it reached the throat. And the yeild wasn't nothing to brag about either. However not all of it is that way. Our 9770 is designed for a 12 row header, we however chose to keep running the 8 row to alow for higher quality cleaning and threshing at higher speeds. I don't think any one machine is better at cleaning and retaining the seed than another ......If they are properly maintained and set correctly a 40 yr old machine will do just as well as a new machine just maybe not as fast (more fuel, more repair cost for same amount of crop) Just my 2 cents.
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Another thing to look at in this area (KY) is usually it's later in the fall before the stalks are disked or bush hogged and the low temps will keep the seed from germinating, or turns brown soon after emergence. We had approx 2500 acres this year, and never got rained out, not one day........ that is unusual. Alot of tillage work and warm weather in the early fall could account for it looking a little more green this year aswell.
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