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Topic: New combines
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Subject: New combines
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:32pm
| We all know about the demise of the small farmer and today its all about being BIG!!! I can understand that todays combines can eat 12 or more rows of corn at a time, but are the operators pushing these combines to much or what?? In my area about 35 miles northeast of St. Louis every field that was shelled about 2 or 3 weeks ago is now a total field of new corn sprouting that covers it!!! I know its only a small percentage of the total harvest in 200+ bushel corn, but it seems strange. I know that never happened behind our Gleaner E, but that was years ago!! LOL Ryan |
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Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:36pm
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Were these fields run over with a Deere? ------------- |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:38pm
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Had to have been a JD sts, a.k.a "strait through seeder" they are terrible in corn, most neighbors who have them have about as much volunteer corn as they do beans. Gleaners are the way to go, we literally had no volunteer corn in our fields because we have a gleaner. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:39pm
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we have the same scenario in our area also all colors we havsome corn 4-5 inches tall operators needs some schooling too slow down they think they go just as fast witha 12 row head as you did with a 6 row that simple ggggot too get done so they caN GO TO FLA. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:53pm
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thank you hager, that's the phrase I was trying to remember--- years ago, if there was a slight green cast, similar to a poor stand of planted corn it was barely acceptable.
Todays thinking is like Norm's statement . Get lots of acres planted in spring and get 'r done in the fall, so they can be in the coffee shop to brag they are done.
Has anyone taken a square yard frame and spot checked the volunteer corn to actually see how much is blown or forced over. At $5/bushel that would go a long way to pay for the combining bill, machine and fuel plus labor, it couldn't take that long along with some record keeping as to weather , etc, to adjust today's combines ------------- |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 7:53pm
| My father said farmers and operators would always get on the ground on there knees and observe what the harvestor was doing. It just seems like a big loss to me. Ryan |
Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:03pm
| WE HAVE COMPUTER TO TO TELL THE BUSHELS AT THE COFFEE SHOP BUT DOES NOT TELL WHAT WENT INTO THE TRUCK LOOK INTHE FEILDS WITH A 6ROW HEAD AN COMPARE MAKE YOUR OWN CONCULISIONS COULD TELL MANY STORIES IN MY 70 YRS. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:05pm
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Ryan, I have done that with my dad, and the neighbor as well, since dad would combine his crops, helping with adjustments, getting in where dad and the neighbor couldn't reach.Dad had a Gleaner E and spent hours on it before every harvest season on wheat, corn, beans, clover. I spent lots of hours under "the shade tree" in, under and around. ------------- |
Posted By: Lester
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:16pm
| I live in Northcentral In. and people talk about JD s planting corn hear too with their combines. |
Posted By: ToddBinNY
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:17pm
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This years harvest is the dryest in years. Most of what's on the ground is what comes out of the head on the snap rolls. No matter what color or speed. You think that there's loss there, try 11-12% beans. That's why they make an air-reel..... |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:22pm
| Thanks JoeO, I know you cant feed the world as our American farmers do with a Gleaner E, but I never saw a harvested field look like the ones I do see now. I guess its the price we pay?? I'm not around all the time, but just once I would love to see someone behind the combine looking though the chaff and tailings. You big guys are doing a great job keeping our bellys full and much of the world also. I just wonder about the combine loss. Ryan |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:25pm
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daddy's first combine was a E3 close to new was 17then learned how to work it right with not much or anyloss then sold it (hes trades on eq since he was 16 ) then got a allcrop 60 and stuff like that but the best one wev had was a F3 had a few good 6600 but they cant keep up with a gleaner ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: norm [ind]
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:38pm
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TALK TO THE SERVICEMEN THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE PROBLEM IS
IT IS NOT HTE COMBINE THEY SAY OPERATOR HAD A GLEANER SERVICE MAN STOP IN TODAY JUST TALKING AN HE SAID 95% OF THE COMBINE PROBLEMS WERE THE OPEATORS SAME TODAY HAVE A FREIND THAT IS A J D SERVICE MAN SAME STORY
TE FARMER THINKS THE COMPUTER RUNS IT!!!!!
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Posted By: ScottinSWIL
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 8:53pm
| This years field dry corn as stated by ToddB is the biggest problem. Some of ours was down to 13% two weeks ago. The head loss is the big end of it. Some of that volunteer corn will be waist high by frost time here on some that was shelled in Aug. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 9:20pm
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So if you own a Straight Through Seeder and you combine the corn early enough for it to sprout in the fall, you won't have any volunteer corn next year. We usually have a lot of corn on the ground at our working farm show(3rd weekend of Sept). The corn gets dry enough to pick if planted early and we use a short season corn but there always seems to bee enough strength in the stalk to make the ear snap hard. Most of the old ear pickers shell the butt end up a ways cause of this. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 9:51pm
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I search on Google-found this - review at coffee shop.
How to Estimate Grain Harvest Losses Usually over 60% of the grain left in the field is due to shattering of the crop and grain lost in getting it cut and into the combine header. Once the crop is in the combine, loss is very low with properly adjusted and operated equipment. To keep harvest loss low, determine how much grain is being left in the field. A simple, accurate method to estimate losses requires the use of a one-foot square frame. Pick several typical areas in the field after the combine has passed and follow these steps.
Table 1: Number of kernels per square foot to equal one bushel per acre loss.
Figure 1.
Counting Kernels to Measure Harvest Loss
Crop No. per pound* to equal 1 bushel unit loss/A No. per square foot Spring Wheat 14,300 20 Durum Wheat 11,500 16 Barley 13,500 15 Oats 15,500 11 Flax 88,000 113 Rye 18,000 42 Soybeans (Small) 3,300 4 Soybeans (large) 2,400 4 Corn (Medium grade) 1,500 2 Sunflower (oil) 9,000 5 Sunflower (confc.) 5,000 2.5 Navy Beans 2,500 4 Pinto Beans 1,250 2 Sorghum 15,000 18 Sudangrass 44,000 40 Proso Millet 80,000 84 Foxtail Millet 220,000 242 Buckwheat 15,000 16 ------------- |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 11:04pm
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The straight through seeder reminds me of the other sayings... Stolen Technology System, Single Trip Seeder, Sometimes Threshing System.
------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2010 at 11:21pm
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I agree with the service men. We have lots of good people running our Gleaner combines in this area and it looks good, but the other guys have them all over the place. Neighbor has a JD9770 and does a good job but he takes his time and CHECKS things throughout the day. We like to call them operators and steering wheel holders that is the difference. |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 12:10am
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Andrew, those are some other very clever sayings for a strait through seeder, just broadened my vocabulary. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:04am
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JoeO, if you run a 6 row corn head and everything out the back is scattered evenly, would you take the "B" measurement from under the combine? I would think that would be the only way to find what is lost from the head.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 12:27pm
| In my area, mostly referring to the wheat harvest, When JD combine owners would tell how you would never see anything green behind a JD combine, the Gleaner owners response would be, "That's because cracked grain doesn't sprout!" Darrel |
Posted By: Russ SCPA
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 1:03pm
| Seat warmers, not operators. I have been around various colors of combines and if set properly and operated properly ALL will do a very acceptable job. Some are easier to set than others. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:16pm
| I grew up with gleaners, my dad and grandpa would have had a nervous breakdown if they thought there was more than 3 percent loss. They had an A with 300 acres, then a C2 with 400, then a G with 550, then a M2 with 700, and finally a L3 with 1200 acres. On each machine, if they had ten good days in the field, harvest was over. "Farmers" here now have 5, 10, 15,20 thousand acres, one guy has 55 thousand I know of. Basically, they push their machines to whatever the engine will take. most of them are "chipping" their engines for more power and drive as fast as the engine will allow, because they have to to get done. The problem is not the machines, its the drain of people from farms. If farmers had 2 or 3 thousand acres, I bet there would be a lot less stress and a lot less grain laying on the ground. I harvested with a guy for ten years who has 2188 caseih combines. Same thing, as fast as they will go without killing the engine, thats how fast he moves. Every fall, his fields are green. He even went so far as having the caseih guy out to see what could be done, the guy finally said "Have you ever thought about slowing down?" My two cents TREV. |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:25pm
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norm [ind wrote:Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:37pm
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Well according to the tests run on the new S77 combine, it will outdo a 9770 sts. While combining 11-12% more grain than the green machine, it was 2.5 times cleaner than the green machine, so I wouldn't say a STS will outdo anything. I am not trying to bash you guys who like JD, im just stating the facts and what I have heard. Part of the reason there are so many STS combines out is because of the paint color and the name on the side, not because of the machine it is. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 6:44pm
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Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 7:31pm
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I thought STS stood for stolen technology series?
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 7:45pm
| I cant knock the John Deere people for defending their product because us orange/Gleaner people are just as loyal, only smarter!!! LOL |
Posted By: Brad(WI)
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 8:07pm
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To determine loss from header, stop combine while part way down a row. Grain behind combine is from header and tailings/cylinder loss. Grain under combine is from header. May need to mark where rear was and back up to look where combine was.
A properly set combine will lose little from the cylinder. Overly dry corn (17% and down) will shell in the head, sometimes excessively. People plant earlier now, and hybrids dry down rapidly. My dad says not too long ago corn was usually harvested at 20-25% moisture, as that was all the drier it would get. Now harvest starts at about 20%, getting down to 14% sometimes at the end of harvest-with the exception of last year (no corn under 20%).
Combines are also designed for faster field speeds. You could drive at 6-7 mph and not overdrive the head. I don't think the old combines/pickers were designed for high field speeds, so head speed was prob slower.
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Posted By: ToddBinNY
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 8:37pm
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JD rules the roost becuase of their dealer network and because so many parts are available after market. We have farm 1000 acres and have all colors. Agco parts are far and away the most expensive parts out there. When we need Agco parts it's always crazy expensive.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 8:52pm
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I just came from Sedelia Mo to Linn Mo. on hwy 50 and I would be ashamed of the corn coming up in all the fields along 50 ; its bad ; brand new combines running and that much loss ; thats a joke whoevers fault it is !!! |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:31pm
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dont forget Deere's other machine ...CTS
Cant Thrash S**T ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 11:57am
| I gotta jump in here. My brotherinlaw is as crazy for deere as I am for allis/gleaner. He has a 9600 and a CTS. Ive run them both. They both are well built machines fairly easy to work on. He is an operator and both machines do a good job for him in wheat, canola, flax, barely, oats, peas. He doesnt leave a hell of a lot behind either machine, says its too hard to grow to leave it in the field. By the way, he has 1200 acres in crop. 5-6 days in the field, and he is done. I hope he doesnt see this post as I am always telling him his machines are big piles of s**t! TREV. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:10pm
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Trev I think your numbers dont add up 6 days x 200 acres a day is 1200 acres. Not with one combine unless your running 24 hours a day and its a class 8 with 40ft heads. I also saw where you where getting 1200 acres done in 10 days with a L2/L3. Thats 120 a day. I just dont see where you get those numbers. We run an A85 with a 40ft flex draper. We cut 170 acres in one day. That was from 8 in the morning till 8 that night. We were only running 4 to 4.5 because the beans are tough this year but testing 10. When we shell corn we run a 12 row at 5 mph. Get 120 to 140 a day. If your corn is good thats 28000 bu to haul away,it takes alot of trucks ,and close to the dumping area. What alot of you guys are forgeting. I am guilty as well. We never harvested corn early,we never harvested 200 bu corn. And we never run wide heads fast 40 years ago. You harvested in late Oct or Nov. It frosted every night. If you slow down you can slow the head down, BUT the combine is going to burn x amount of fuel an hour. If you get 5 more acres an hour with the same gallons you might be money ahead loosing a little at the header running faster. Its about net on everything. Burn less fuel,loose a little,or burn more fuel and save a little,which is better ? I dont know . I do know that we harvested beans last week and got 10.96. There are guys that where going slower and harvesting beans this week,and they are paying 10.10. That is 43.00 an acre more getting them cut last week because we were driving to fast.You just never know. Sorry I missed the 2 combines on the second post,but I have seen more 9600 that cant get 100 acres a day then 9600 s that can. I sure dont want to make anyone mad all I am saying is THERE IS MORE THEN MEETS THE EYE.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Roddo
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:12pm
Guess you missed that. |
Posted By: Steve M C/IL
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:37pm
| It's the year more than the machine.Everything around here is solid green from HEAD SHELLING,rain and warm weather.Had the same problem with my F2/4-30's as the neighbor with the 8 row STS.For all of you who claim it's the operator,show me your field....oh,you don't have one.It also doesn't matter what results you or someone you know once got some years ago.This is a different year and todays hybrids are not like they used to be. |
Posted By: ACmowerguy
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 10:27pm
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This has been an interesting post. Just as Steve mentions todays hybrids are a whole different animal. The weather has also been a problem. As others have said, Deere's dealer network is part of the reason there are so many green combines in the fields. I work in the parts dept. for a JD dealer, we have excellent parts availability. At least here in MO, AGCO dealers are few and far between, and about half of them don't even sell new equipment, they have "parts only" contracts. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:53am
| Watched a man combining beans yesterday in Loutre Bottoms, dust was so thick he had to stop and wait for it to clear to continue in spots. As he finished a row he stopped for water and to clean w/s also inspected head, there were a lot of beans not making it through the head on his Deere. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 7:46am
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Back when I was a kid in the 70's and early 80's you could tell what fields were combines by a Deere. Corn fields that is. It wasn't always the operator. The corn heads on the Deere machines at the time were the problem. Too many ears bouncing out. A harvested corn field would look like an old Oliver picker had been through it as the stalks would be still standing but at an angle. Another thing is walker loss with a Deere but that is taken care of by slowing down. I'm not exaggerating at all that you could literally pick out the corn fields harvested by a Deere combine or Oliver picker. We never had much volunteer corn with Dad's old E. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 8:05am
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Some have pointed it out already, but the brand of combine has very little to do with what we are seeing in the field right now. Remember that the seeding rate for corn is about 32,000 seeds per acre, that is about 1/3 bushel. Acceptable field losses are in the 2 to 3 bushel area, or around 250,000 kernals per acre, that's 6 kernals per square foot.
You are all correct and it does look bad, but most of those fields had acceptable losses. The problem was made worse by early maturing because of the higher degree days this year, poor stalk quality and poor cob quality. Corn harvested at 16% and lower moisture will have much higher field losses due to shelling at the head. Also, that seed has had an opportunity to germinate this year and that doesn't normally happen.
Don't blame the combine, as stated by others, the operator has more control of field losses than any other factor. The other part is speed, and going slower isn't always the answer. The threshing unit on all combines must be kept full for complete and efficient harvesting.
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Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 9:59am
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My family has been custom harvesting here for many years and I've been operating and fixing combines for longer than I care to rember. We run a couple of Deere machines, 9510 and a 9560 STS. We had a Gleaner R62 for several years. It was a good machine. Here we have mostly small fields, rolling hills and lots of dairy. Corn is harvested with a 6 row head, 30" rows and we cut beans and wheat with 25" flex heads. Most oats, barley, etc is still swathed. I spent more time working on the Gleaner than I do the Deere's, things were built light, rear axil tubes were to light and would break in the center and also outside near the spindles. Clean grain elevator drives, berrings were to small. The head drives, electric clutch was to light and would break also. Sure we have problems with the Deere but not near as much and more random things. The Deere service network and parts availability is much better, though the electronics are more complicated, at least the Gleaner had switches instead of timers with values and adresses to program into a controller. When turning a corner and lifting the head at the same time, the Gleaner was alwayse short on oil. The Gleaner did have a better rock prevention system.
In severe sidehills the 9560 STS Deere will hold more groundspeed without loss in the same conditions as the R62 Gleaner, both machines have sidehill kits on the chaffer, but the transverse rotor in the the Gleaner is the downfall. If the discharge is on the downhill side, you go verry slow. In wet corn, 30-40% moisture we harvest for dairy farms, I had a lot of problems plugging the chaffer and sieve in the Gleaner, broken pieces of cob jamming the Deere never gives problems in that area, in corn that wet you have to close down the rotor and speed it up breaking the cob to get it all thrashed. In snow I also have less problems plugging with the Deere than I do with the Gelaner. IN dry corn both machines work well. In dry high yeilding corn where conditions allow one to run high groundspeed the Deere will outrun the Gleaner the clean grain elevator will not keep up and the head will not pull crop in fast enough. The Gleaner corn head will not pick up down corn like the Deere, it's more like a dozer, also in an all out run for ground speed in good conditions and dry corn the Deere will take about 3mph more than the other one.
There's nothing wrong with the Gleaner, but I do like the green one better. It's years of experiance in lots of conditions. Not driveing down the road looking in fields. I can't sat that either machine has more field loss than the other, I set up and run at an acceptable rate. You need to realize that it's roughly $100 per seperator hour to run a newer machine (it's 130 to lease it and then $15-$25 per hour for a head) in ownership costs, intrest, depreciation, etc. Now put an operator in it, fuel, a tractor and cart allong with it and another operator and fuel, I can take a little loss and save a pile of money. At the end of the day a couple more or less bushel of crop mean nothing. A couple more acres done or less hours worked add up.
Combines are like snomobiles, they are all junk mo matter what color or age. Everyone has different expectations from a piece of equipment. I'm just going off years of experience and real world conditions.
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Posted By: Roddo
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 11:27am
Ive heard this analogy before. Friend of my dads told us when we bought ours they are like snowmobiles. 1 hour of use is 2 hours of repairs. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 2:04pm
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DougG, I know the fields you are refering to ------------- |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 8:16pm
| After reading Johns post about losses and 6 kernals per square foot, this all seems alot more acceptable!! |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 10:07pm
| Hey ILGLEANER you are not going to make me mad. This forum is fun for me. We are talking apples/oranges here. We grew hard red spring wheat, amber Durum wheat, flax, barley, peas, lentils, canola, and a smattering of fall rye, oats occasionally. There is no corn or soybeans here. In a 40 bushel durum crop picking up a 30 foot windrow or straight cutting with the 24 foot header on our L3, we could do about 120 a day. Our fields were half mile by half mile, so not a lot of turning.I can account for every load in a 400 bushel gmc truck that didnt have power steering because my dad didnt believe in it!Thats about 5000 bushels a day. Both my broinlaws machines are substantially larger than an L3, so he easily covers 200 acres a day. In corn, no chance. The heaviest Durum crop we ever took was 60 bushel on a quarter section. Its dryland farming here. In a 30 bushel wheat crop, we could move at 5mph with the L3, we did a quarter one time. Still didnt want to see any coming out the back, TREV. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 10:25pm
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Trevman,
That makes more sense now. I drove my old L3 cutting 55 bus. beans the other day. Cut 40 acres in 4 different fields and was proud as a peacock. The fields were 18,6,6 and finished a 30 that I had done the other day. I like to use it to cut our patches and not have to change heads on the big combine.
IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 11:46pm
| There is an L3 with 1000 seperator hours in our neck of the woods here. It has a 13 foot pickup header an a melroe 388 pickup. It looks like it must be a few serial numbers either side of the one we had and looks like new.asking price is 10000 or best.Pretty nice machine for cleaning up patches, Makes me want to cry...TREV |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 8:28am
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We never have green coming up behind our ole 1440 International. I'm sure it has nothing to with the fact that every spring or fall we have delays on planting or harvesting. Just like right now the corn is plenty dry and we haven't backed the machine out of the shed cause both my uncle and I work full time jobs and only have evenings and weekends to get things done. And right now as I have been posting on the shops section we have been putting up a new grain bin. So its always October before we get started and frost is always shortly after so the loss never has a chance to sprout. Kinda wish we would get things done early enough for it to sprout since we turn the cows on the stalk fields for grazing it would give them more to eat then the loss would become a 0 cause it would save more on hay. ------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 10:01am
Your description of how the R62 ran says otherwise. Sounds like a big piece of junk or at least something very unreliable and undesirable. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 11:34am
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when I worked for the company that bought my granfathers farm, we had New Idea Uni's. 4-row wide, only once in the eight years I worked there did we have a field loss issue and that was a certain hybrid problem,the ears would fall off the stalk just by looking at them. We never started combining before Oct. 1st, if in need of corn we just combined a load a day for the cows untill harvest time. we averaged 750-800 acres per year of corn, never had a grain buggy, just wagons at ends of field usually pulled with a farmall M or 400 to the silo(for high moisture corn) or to the elevator leg.with chores and everything else with dairy and swine if got done before Thanksgiving it was a good year. remenber more than once combining in Jan. after ground froze to finish. Everybody nowaday's is in a fire-ass hurry to get done, the money spent for speed alone is unbelievable ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Rawleigh
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:24pm
| You could hear the shatter occurring on the headers here in Virginia this year. 15% corn with only 60 bu/ac average yield. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:32pm
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WOW!!! 60 bu/ac, will that cover seed and fuel costs? ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: naylorbros
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:47pm
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Where I am at in the Salt Lake Valley of Utah your corn has to be at 15% or less because there are no driers any where close. The one patch I cut is a corn maze so most of the corn is on the ground before the combine even gets in the field. There is another corn maze 25 miles south of me that is not cut because no one will travel to cut it. The owners shred and bale the stalks with the corn still on. The tires on the JD 4400 would not make the road trip. Thanks Ken
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 7:27pm
| Being in southern Illinois I look at my area. After reading comments from others, there are many different conditions and even crops in this big country of ours!! |
Posted By: ryan(IN)
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 7:35pm
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Right now we're cutting 13+or-% corn and it is shelling at the head soooo bad. Often makes you wonder if you set the combine wrong but then you stop and look where the head was and where the shoe was its all from the head and not the shoe. This is with an 1983 L3 and an 8 row head. ------------- ryan 1984 8070 FWA,1979 7060,1975 7040,1971 190,1960 D-17D,1957 D-14, 196? D-19G, 1975 5040,1971? 160,1994 R62 |
Posted By: KY Plow Boy
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 8:29pm
| I agree with many others. Alot of the volunteer corn this year is from lack of rain in our area ( west KY)... allowing for very dry corn early. I could look behind my header while shelling this fall and see tons of corn on the ground. Even with new ear savers, deck plates and snaping rollers still alot of corn hit the ground before it reached the throat. And the yeild wasn't nothing to brag about either. However not all of it is that way. Our 9770 is designed for a 12 row header, we however chose to keep running the 8 row to alow for higher quality cleaning and threshing at higher speeds. I don't think any one machine is better at cleaning and retaining the seed than another ......If they are properly maintained and set correctly a 40 yr old machine will do just as well as a new machine just maybe not as fast (more fuel, more repair cost for same amount of crop) Just my 2 cents. |
Posted By: KY Plow Boy
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 8:44pm
| Another thing to look at in this area (KY) is usually it's later in the fall before the stalks are disked or bush hogged and the low temps will keep the seed from germinating, or turns brown soon after emergence. We had approx 2500 acres this year, and never got rained out, not one day........ that is unusual. Alot of tillage work and warm weather in the early fall could account for it looking a little more green this year aswell. |