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BrianJones
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6241 |
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That is a nice WD45!
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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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BrianJones
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Thank you sir! It's my first tractor. I've always liked older tractors much more than the newer ones.
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BrianJones
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Do you have one of these starters for sale? Preferably rebuilt as a 12v?
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BrianJones
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Do you have one of these in stock, for sale? |
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BillinAlberta
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 338 |
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Mighty fine.
Power steering?Can't tell from the pic.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8240 |
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One heck of a custom bucket on a very nice WD45! Good job!
Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11748 |
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Sorry Brian. I'm not on here every day like I used to be. I don't have anything on the shelf for exchange. I usually just rebuild the customer's unit. With new field coils, rewound arm, all new internal parts and a new HD relay assy, a converted Starter like yours runs around $350.+ the shipping. Steve@B&B
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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BrianJones
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It does have have power steering but it's still not the easiest with a load of dirt in the bucket
Steve, what kind of turn around do you have if I expedite mine to you? I have the option of a new 6 volt for $250. I'm just curious as to how long that would last me. I only use this tractor for property maintenance on a wooded 8acre plot. |
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18786 |
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Why not just CLEAN and put new brushes in? Take yours to a starter rebuild shop and have them do it if you don't think you can? They are pretty simple, brushes and new springs. Will last another 70 years.
While you're in there, look through the mounting hole and look at the ring gear. Hope yours looks good. Edited by Ted J - 07 Oct 2018 at 5:06pm |
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19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11748 |
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It usually takes about 2-2 1/2 weeks for me to turn one around. I have to send the armature out for rewinding, and that's what takes most of the time. Because of EPA laws here in Jersey, we can't do armatures anymore in state. Been like that for quite a few years. In the meantime I tank, glassbead and change over all the components in the chassis and when the arm comes back, I finish it up and run it on the 881 machine to make sure everything is working correctly and to my specs before I cut it loose. Ted makes it sound pretty easy, but 10 outta' 10 Starters or Generators that come in my shop have bad arms in them. That's the heart of the unit that produces the power and torque. Brushes, bushings, bearings & springs don't always put the unit in tip top shape... Sorry Ted, didn't mean to burst yer' bubble. LOL!
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18786 |
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Not a problem Steve!! I was working on old cars and tractors when I was about 8 years old, so I see them as easy. I agree, the armature is usually the worst thing as the brushes holders fall apart and the commutator gets worn down. The stator usually isn't a problem, but I've seen em ground into because of the bushings being GONE completely, not just worn down.
By all means Brian, if you're not sure enough of yourself, send it to Steve to get it all done up like new! He's the guru on here for doing these!! That is one GREAT looking WD45!! STRAIGHT tin ALL around (ecept for a crack at the top of the right fender, a good tool box and battery box. That bucket looks like it's NEW!! Been sitting in a barn and not being used all it's life??!! 1 - What's at the top of the left loader frame? Looks like a light? 2 - What's with the muffler? 3 - What's on the throttle and hydraulic levers? Looks like white something? You've got a gem there, for your first tractor!! BUT,,,,,it won't be your last ALLIS. It's a sickness and you'll soon have more! |
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19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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BrianJones
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jun 2018 Location: Georgia Points: 23 |
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1- temp gauge
2- That's how it was when I bought it. Previous owner tried to paint it. 3- rubber grips on the levers. |
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5735 |
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Brian- another way to do it... is to find a functional starter off a donor tractor, and either send it to Steve, or swap it for yours, and send yours to steve, so your machine won't be down (for want of a starter) while the other is getting rehabilitated.
For what it's worth... I'll second the note that the greatest issue with 12v conversion isn't the voltage upon electrics, but rather, the starter's rapid response to engagement... it can be hard on the mechanicals. I believe (Steve, correct me if I'm wrong) that these are SERIES wound starters. If that's the case, then as the starter's armature speed increases, the inductive reactance of the (commutated) armature naturally limits current flow through all the windings (and brushes), so it's not likely you'll ever 'burn out' the 6v windings on a 12v source... in order to do so, the engine cranking load would have to drag SO BAD... that there'd be something much worse to worry about. Now, as an example of the reverse, I have a Hercules JXLD 338ci inline six on my large generator... it was originally integrated into the generator control as a 24v system, which means the starting motor was intended for 24v. When I stripped it of it's (excess) control system, I also converted it to 12v starting. I pulled out the starter, and took it to my local rebuilding shop, where Bill looked up all the parts, and we found (as he told me we would) that the MOTOR windings for 12 and 24v operation are identical... the only difference is the starter solenoid winding... the 12v solenoid used larger wire, and fewer turns, for more pull-in force on the solenoid. My generator cranks just as fast on 12v, as it did on 24. My WD... and my WC, and my B... all have been running 12v battery on OEM starters with no problems, just sprightly starts in the coldest conditions. I suspect that one of these days I'll see a broken starter bendix spring, but I'll replace it when it does. |
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BrianJones
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Y'all are definitely a wealth of knowledge on subjects that I know very little about. Thank you all for the information and advice. I did find a local repair shop and am currently getting a quote through them, they are just waiting to see if they can get the necessary parts.
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