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Stan IL&TN 
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 Posted: 26 Feb 2012 at 8:28pm |
Holy cow that tractor looks good but why did they use a tooth brush to smear on some blank paint (on the tach trim) out of a can for? An 8 year old would have done a better job. I also question the stadium lights as they don't look like the correct ones. Maybe the owner added them after he bought it? I also want to say that the side mirrors came with the stadium lights but not sure? I think it will sell. Wish it was in my barn.
Edited by Stan IL&TN - 26 Feb 2012 at 8:30pm
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1957 WD45 dad's first AC
1968 one-seventy
1956 F40 Ferguson
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 26 Feb 2012 at 9:21pm |
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I sure didn't call anybody a fraud or anything remotely near that. I simply pointed out a GLARING item that suggested the tach may have been replaced.
Selling a 35 year old 180 HP tractor with only 254 hours on makes nearly everyone suspicious w/o many additional facts to substantiate why a tractor of such size that represented a significant investment for most any farmer was not used in correlation to that investment.
To market such a tractor as original hours then badly repaint the trim ring around that tach is just begging for speculation that something isn't right. To me that is like getting drunk at a bar then having a big public yelling fight with your girlfriend, stomping out and disappearing for a few hours then going over to her place later only to find her dead with a knife in her back, then pulling the bloody knife out with your bare hands and holding up it up to see just as a police show up. You might be totally innocent but every jury in the world would convict you...
If someone knows first hand the story behind why it only has 254 hours, that be really neat to hear. To find a such a low hour tractor of that size would really special to someone...if they can afford the asking price. I bought my 180 gas with 1101 original hours on it and got the story behind it to substantiate it and the rest of the condition of the tractor backed it up.
Mike
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1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330
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1965 D17 S-IV gas
1963 D17 S-III gas
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1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 26 Feb 2012 at 10:15pm |
 Boogerowen wrote:
Well, Orange Blood, I certainly didn't mean for you to be upset on this the lord's day, but it seemed that maybe you and others had a personal vendetta against the folks who are trying to sell their machine, since you made all those comments without seeing this tractor in person, and as I strained MY eyes trying to magnify the pictures enough to see the paint on the injector lines, I decided that you must have another reason for shooting these folks down as you were.The next time I travel out to Hayden Co. to visit my old Army buddy I was in Korea with, I will make it a point to come by and see you, and maybe you will see that I am not what you probably think I am. GOD BLESS.... |
Ya know many many times I read something you post, I think to myself, that dude is out in left field, and then I think no, he is just subject to the same misunderstanding that we all are, written words with no feeling or body language behind them, and then I find my self saying, he really didn't mean it that way.
Now, I must say I am starting to question that "benefit of the doubt," you tell us to stop making all of these assertions, that we AREN'T making, then you make you own. Stating I "must have a personal vendetta against the owners," where did you read that? I can't find it. Frankly you can't know what I am thinking about the owners, I have only made observations about the tractor itself, and stated an initial opinion, that I clearly stated would have to be verified by LOOKING AT THE TRACTOR IN PERSON; to your point. To claim based on that I have a personal vendetta is ludicrous at best, in fact, I am wondering if IF IF IF IF it is in fact not a 254 hour tractor, if the dealer got taken by the original owner. I hope it is an original hours tractor, but the world has taught me to be skeptical of too good to be true.
Another thing, I am pleased that you make references to the Lord, but if you do so, be careful not to Judge and slander others in the same breath my friend, it makes you look like a hypocrite, even if you are not.
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allis4ever
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Posted: 26 Feb 2012 at 10:57pm |
Well as usual a good posting has been completely sidetracked LOL just the good ole internet as usual.
I took a look at this tractor today, and I personally know the owners of the dealership, they would not risk their reputation on it if the hours were not correct. I believe the hours are correct. Here is what i noticed.
The injector lines have not had a wrench on them, only paint peeling off from the galvanizing underneath. The tires look like new as far as tread depth (all wheels and rims have been recently painted in my opinion). The tin is straight (paint definitely looks better in pix, but still for a 35 year old tractor is good), the tach ring was goobered up, I am guessing to cover what was probably a rusty chrome ring. The brake and clutch pedal had NO wear on it, the shifter rubber knobs had NO wear on them, the shifting gate for the Park/high/low had NO wear on it, the three point balls didn't look like there had ever been anything used on them at all. I would bet my left one that the hours are correct.
Let's put this argument to bed LOL
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SLee(IA)
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Posted: 26 Feb 2012 at 11:06pm |
Just wondering if a guy bought a 35 year old tractor with 254 hours and took it home and worked it the way it was designed to be worked, would problems develop in a year or two. After sitting so much I would think the rear main would start leaking, maybe the front crank seal also. Would the rings seat again after a couple hundred hours of use? Would the hydraulic valves work right or stick? Just wondering what other think. Steve
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redline
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Posted: 26 Feb 2012 at 11:26pm |
allis4ever wrote:
Well as usual a good posting has been completely sidetracked LOL just the good ole internet as usual.
I took a look at this tractor today, and I personally know the owners of the dealership, they would not risk their reputation on it if the hours were not correct. I believe the hours are correct. Here is what i noticed.
The injector lines have not had a wrench on them, only paint peeling off from the galvanizing underneath. The tires look like new as far as tread depth (all wheels and rims have been recently painted in my opinion). The tin is straight (paint definitely looks better in pix, but still for a 35 year old tractor is good), the tach ring was goobered up, I am guessing to cover what was probably a rusty chrome ring. The brake and clutch pedal had NO wear on it, the shifter rubber knobs had NO wear on them, the shifting gate for the Park/high/low had NO wear on it, the three point balls didn't look like there had ever been anything used on them at all. I would bet my left one that the hours are correct.
Let's put this argument to bed LOL
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To add information on the rims, the rear rims were replaced i heard. The calcium had leaked from rear tires and had done a real number on the rims. I would imagine the fronts were touched up, and maybe some of the rear castings. I don't see anything wrong with touching up. I get suspicious of a full repaint in situations like this, but these guys clean and touch up almost everything that comes onto their lot. They just like to have stuff look good.
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dpower
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 1:40am |
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we have a 7045 with 1300 actual hours on it and our back rims need work bad. The calcium has leaked through and rusted them badly. They still have the original tires that came on the tractor. Also the interior started to come down in it a few years ago. Ive since replaced that with a new cab interior. With age things go bad on tractors no matter how many hours are on them. I know this is the correct hours and it has a neat story behind it.
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SHAMELESS
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 2:06am |
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well...i was gonna say sumpthin....but someone might take it wrong!
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MI8050
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 4:29am |
Weirder stuff has happened than a tractor sitting for that long. My friend boought a 185 Allis from an auction for their farm. This was in 1990-1991, it had 24 actual hours on it, it was factory new. At the auction there was a 6080 and a K2 combine, same type of deal. The story was the owner worked at a dealership and purchased them all new, then just left them in his shed.
Somebody mentioned that 7060 in central MI that had been on e-bay. I've seen that one in person aboout 5 years ago, it had less than 60 hours on it then. They are around, just like hens teeth though.
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Calvin Schmidt
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 5:38am |
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They are around. Wengers in PA have a grey Ferguson in their show room with 7/10th of an hour on the meter. The tags are still on. I first saw this tractor 20 years ago and its a neat story.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 6:26am |
SLEE(IA),
I was a consideration I thought about, tractors that sit typically develop problems shortly after being put to use. The problem is, we don't really know how it sat. REdline has been and now Allisforever defending this tractor and they put eyes on it. Allisforever brought up the points I would have looked at if I had been able to look at it in person, so now I am a believer. I don't want to beat up the dealership, was never my intention. Anyway back to where I was going, if the tractor was run and moved say 2 hours every 3 months, then it is a good tractor, if it was run for 7.5 hours once a year, then I would be concerned, but not that much, if however it was run say 80 or so hours the first 3 years of it;s life, and the last 14 hours where selling it to the dealer, and reconditioning it, then I wouldn't touch it for more than 10K, because it could possibly have rust on trans. bearings that were not submerged in oil, or gear teeth above the oil line, that's just what happens to things that don't get used. I am not saying it will destroy the trans, or other parts, but there is a better than normal chance it will have problems that may require a split in it's near future. An easy way to figure this out, would be to put a bore scope down the fill tubes before even starting the tractor after a long sit, but that may not have happened.
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TREVMAN
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 9:16am |
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I believe! With 254hrs, I would think a collector would want it and probably not work it...But if you were gonna work it, isnt there fluid additives that could be used to minimize problems from sitting? Maybe SeaFoam? Trev.
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SLee(IA)
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 1:42pm |
Orange Blood, I can see your point on how a tractor is stored making a difference if there would be problems or not. I have not seen the tractor in person but I do business with CIFS and what is important to me is their large parts inventory. Any Gleaner part I have ever needed in season they have had. They also have a parts man, who lurks on this site, that knows just about anything about AC tractors and has helped me get parts that were no longer available OEM or aftermarket. Steve
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Unit3
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 2:05pm |
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It is a good looker, but I question the angled step. My dealer lit only shows a ladder style, but maybe that was changed in late 1977. Dad had two 7080's that came off the line one after the other. They had different steering wheels. The top lights and the seat look wrong, but I do like the top link on the 3pt.
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REEDE
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 8:39pm |
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The 7080 was purchased as a tax write off. The wide step is from the later 7000 series tractor and put on in the early eighties . The 7080 went through a bad wind storm in July . It has a new seat cushions , cab interior and floor mat , two new old stock headlights. The hours are correct on this tractor i was in the cab this morning . I have been around it since 1981 when i started working at the dealership. You need to see it to appreciate it.
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CBL95
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Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 8:48pm |
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I saw a JD 4440 with 158 loader with 8hrs sell for i think 78 or 79000 and a JD 4750 with 28hrs sell for something like 75 or 80,000 guy bought them and retired before he even got to use the 4440, the only reason it had that many hours was that once a year he would start it up to keep everything free. this was 4-5 years ago i believe
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MI8050
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Posted: 28 Feb 2012 at 4:27am |
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There was an auction in Illinois a few years ago, the guy hit oil on his place and bought 3 4440's and some other stuff to burn some of the income. Those tractors were all VERY low hours and broought major money at the sale. That stuff is around, just not common. That 7080 looks legit to me.
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