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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

30 years ago I quit using single wire Delco alternators because if you didn't use the tractor on a somewhat regular basis, they would run the battery down !!!!!!! Kind of defeated the purpose of the 12volt upgrade.


Interesting. I have owned several of these (still do) and never had that problem; it is pretty easy to check parasitic current draw with a good VOM.
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The Doc is correct. If anything sits long enough with a one wire Alternator connected directly to the Battery, the Alternator acts as a dynamo and will drain a Battery down to dead. Just depends on the Battery and the electronics in the Alternator. I always preach to my customer's, one of the best things you can invest in is a good Battery shut off switch. If the vehicle sits for long periods of time before its used, its always a good practice to sever the Battery from the vehicle. Doesn't matter what the vehicle is. Its either that, or remove the Battery from the vehicle and put it in an area where you can put a Battery tender on it to keep the Battery "active". You'll get the longevity out of the Battery keeping it active. If it gets pretty cold in your area, remove the Battery and bring it in to a warmer area and put a tender on it.

Luke, take your Generator to a local rebuilder and have him throw it on his machine and have him do some load tests on it to see if the unit is working as it should. If it passes all load tests that are put on it, in your mind you know the Gennies good. Then move on to the next item. Make sure the 3 position switch isn't cooked. If it looks okay visually where it doesn't look like it got hot or anything, clean up the instrument box where it bolts to to make sure its grounded correctly.  Next would be to inspect the wiring. If any of it is questionable rewire it via the wiring diagram Steve posted for ya. Lastly, have the Battery your using draw tested to make sure your power supply is in tip top shape to use. There's only 3 cells to a 6V Battery, so if you have one cell starting to go away, you've lost a lot of your power source. And a bad cell or low cell can cause the Generator to start a high charge because the low or bad cell in the Battery is putting a load on the system.  Once all of that is taken care of, there's no reason in the world why the 6V system won't work correctly. We're not liftin' the space shuttle here. Go to it!......
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What is it that causes those 1 wire to drain battery. Mine will drain battery in couple weeks. I do need to determine for sure if it is the alt tho but pretty sure it is. Problem started when I put the 1 wire on it. This is car I am talking about tho - 70 Camaro. Thx.SmileSmile
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There are a couple reasons why an Alternator will drain the Battery. If you have an Alternator that has a diode or trio fail, that would cause a ground in the electronics, close the loop in the unit and draw current from the Battery. If the unit is a one wire, because the unit is hooked directly to the Battery, this keeps the magnetic field "active" in the VR. When the magnetic field is constantly activated, it steals mili-volts from the Battery. Eventually, if sitting long enough it can and will drain the Battery. As I mentioned earlier in a post, it acts as a "dynamo" because its constantly active. When you insert a key switch in the middle and control the current to the VR, when the key is off so is the VR. No magnetic field activation, no drain.  The voltage sense circuit (#2) on the Alternator, works great on larger Tractors such as the "D" series on up. This circuit can be run parallel with the heavy output circuit and either run to a junction at the dash area, Voltmeter + or Starter solenoid. The voltage sense circuit now monitors current usage and signals the VR when to ramp up the Alternator when loads are applied to the system. The Battery stays "full" the Alternator keeps 14.2 volts throughout the system keeping components working properly, engine running correctly and makes for a happy system.  Three wire system is the bestest!  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Ed (Ont) Ed (Ont) wrote:

What is it that causes those 1 wire to drain battery. Mine will drain battery in couple weeks. I do need to determine for sure if it is the alt tho but pretty sure it is. Problem started when I put the 1 wire on it. This is car I am talking about tho - 70 Camaro. Thx.SmileSmile


Disconnect the wire at the alternator and connect an ammeter in series from the wire to the alternator terminal. Draining the battery in two weeks time will probably require a current draw in excess of ~100 mA or so. if the current draw at that location is less-than 10 milliamps then you need to look elsewhere.
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Generator tested OK so I threw it on and began taking another look at the wiring. I replaced the toggle switch with a proper key switch but I am having a tough time figuring out exactly where everything is supposed to wire up with the key switch.. forgive me as I am no genius when it comes to electrical. Something else I noticed, My 3 position switch appears to be missing the resistor all together? Looks like I may be ordering a new switch after all. Would probablyexplain the incorrect operation of the switch aswell. Right now it acts as a switch between no lights, head lights, and all lights, rather than the correct low charge, lights, high charge.


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Yup, you need some new parts my friend Smile
I recommend a new ammeter as well, also take a close look at those wires with the crimp terminals.

Edit: There really is no need for a key switch unless you just want one; all it does is add complexity to a simple system.


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How else would the tractor power off and on? This is a WD45, they had a key switch from the factory to my knowledge, maybe not?
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Steve at B&B rebuilds those original light switches.  He's done a few for me and they come back working like new.  That one looks like it needs some attention!
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You can use the KEY for power to the COIL for ignition, and to energize the SOLENOID to start the motor............... or you can have a TOGGLE to get power to the COIL ( ON- OFF).. and just have a START BUTTON that you push to energize the SOLENOID to pull in the starter motor...
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When I did my rewire, I just used an on/off switch.  Pull out and its on, push in and it is off.  That switch is still hard at work and on the job after 31 years....

Had a used a key switch, I would have lost the key 15 times by now.  Keep it simple!
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The WD45 had a Battery ignition. (Distributor)  So a key switch is needed to send power to the Coil. Simple ON/OFF is what was used as OEM.  So you did good with a new key switch. If your Tractor was changed over to a Starter solenoid, then you would need either a key crank switch, or pull power off the Ignition switch to power up a start button. 

Now, looking at that 3 position switch, I can see its all wired incorrectly. Here's what should be on that switch.
Jumper wire from the Ammeter minus (-) side to the fuse tower on the H/L switch.
Headlight circuit & Tailight circuit (if equipped) to the screw terminal that has the "S" on it.  (If you look real close, you'll see letters next to the screws.) Looking at the switch, it looks like the terminal without the screw in it is the "S" terminal that should be used.
Generator Field circuit to the resistor leg on the bottom of the switch.
Should be no more than 4 wires on that switch. (3 with no Tailight or Work light)
There should be a flat resistor on the bottom of that switch. If not, you need one. This is why nothing is working correctly. I have the resistors in stock if interested. As Phil mentioned I do service/rebuild/restore and make parts for those OEM Delco switches. I'm probably the only knuckehead on the planet that does. Take all those wires off and clean up that switch. The only wire that looked correct on that switch was the jumper circuit from the Ammeter to the fuse tower.....
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Originally posted by Steve in NJ Steve in NJ wrote:

The WD45 had a Battery ignition. (Distributor)  So a key switch is needed to send power to the Coil. Simple ON/OFF is what was used as OEM.  So you did good with a new key switch. If your Tractor was changed over to a Starter solenoid, then you would need either a key crank switch, or pull power off the Ignition switch to power up a start button. 

Now, looking at that 3 position switch, I can see its all wired incorrectly. Here's what should be on that switch.
Jumper wire from the Ammeter minus (-) side to the fuse tower on the H/L switch.
Headlight circuit & Tailight circuit (if equipped) to the screw terminal that has the "S" on it.  (If you look real close, you'll see letters next to the screws.) Looking at the switch, it looks like the terminal without the screw in it is the "S" terminal that should be used.
Generator Field circuit to the resistor leg on the bottom of the switch.
Should be no more than 4 wires on that switch. (3 with no Tailight or Work light)
There should be a flat resistor on the bottom of that switch. If not, you need one. This is why nothing is working correctly. I have the resistors in stock if interested. As Phil mentioned I do service/rebuild/restore and make parts for those OEM Delco switches. I'm probably the only knuckehead on the planet that does. Take all those wires off and clean up that switch. The only wire that looked correct on that switch was the jumper circuit from the Ammeter to the fuse tower.....
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Steve, what do you get for a new (refurbished) switch? Being that I have gone this far with it I would almost rather just replace the switch, as it's always been finiky.

I was able to find some reciepts, the generator was rebuilt in 2008 and probably less than 50 hours total on the tactor since. I knew grandpa had something done but couldn't remember it it was just the starter or not.
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Looks like the switch resistor is installed on the generator.
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Just a thought. Buy a 6v regulator and get rid of the  cut out and 3 way switch. Then rewire it. I did that on my wd-45 and it's worked just fine. Still 6v. Used it yesterday in 10 deg weather and it started right up and charged fine after sitting for about a month. 
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Originally posted by Lon(MN) Lon(MN) wrote:

Looks like the switch resistor is installed on the generator.


Good catch! Seems as though that would leave it stuck on low charge.
Somebody really hacked that system up.
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Is that a resistor or just a coil of wire ?  Looks more like a spring than a resistor..  and it is connected to the CUT OUT ??  Resistor would go to GROUND  from "F".

-------Somebody really hacked that system up.----  and didnt have a CLUE what they were doing..





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The wire diagram link on the previous page is actually for a B-C-WC type tractor as it is 6v POS ground.. but has a magneto  / kill switch / push rod starter..

I looked online and really dont see a WD45 type wire diagram. I marked up the B -C Print to show a COIL- DISTRIBUTOR - STARTER SOLENOID - Key SWITCH in addition to the original 6V POS ground system with the Resistor light switch.. I believe this to be correct.





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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Is that a resistor or just a coil of wire ?  Looks more like a spring than a resistor..  and it is connected to the CUT OUT ??  Resistor would go to GROUND  from "F".

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That is just a wire with plastic loom around it.
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I think I've got it now. I runs great and was charging steady 4v in low charge and 7-8.5 in high charge. Lights are non functional, so I think what happened is someone moved things aroind to get the lights working and didn't take account to the functionality of the switch.

I do still need to replace the switch, but everything including the ammeter save for the lights ins functional.



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YEP..... that looks a LOT BETTER... Congrats !!

(and your readings were AMPS on the AMP GAUGE ? )


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Replaced the key switch with a brand new Briggs/Stratton key switch last fall, 70 years of use, been finicky for the last number years of having to set it in a certain position to get it to work.
  When I changed the this tractor over to the DelcoTron alternator, I put in a new Niehoff lighted ammeter of higher amps and attached the 'on' wire for the regulator to the key switch and rewired the light switch so it was off in the 'IN' position, middle position turned the front headlights on with halogen sealed beams and 32cp bulb in the red tail light on the fender.  Third position, all the way out, turned on the FireCracker halogen driving lights bolted ontop of the hood and the rear halogen tail light. Man that tractor had good lights. Was fun cultivating at night with it. 
  With all the lights on it, a generator would not have kept up. Having the alternator was really nice.
 I had removed the resistor off the light switch too when I had converted it over to 12 volts.
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Looks like your needing to ground your Generator there at the battery box. A voltage regulator for the gennie would probably be a better idea, then you won't be overcharging the battery. and won't need to worry about grounding the control panel.
  Also check your ammeter to see if it has continuity across the lugs. Have had several that failed over the years.
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Yes steve. Forgive me, it has been a long day and I wanted to get this updated before I crash for the night. Thanks again guys. And to Steve at B&B when you see this, I'll send you a PM about a new switch tomorrow.
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Luke,
Providing your switch is rebuildable, you can exchange it for one of my switches ready to go. Remove the rod and knob, cause' that sounds like they're not frozen and working and send your switch in. It's $85. bucks exchange without rod n' knob. If you visit our website, our P/N is 1501-02A.  You can also email me at customcircuits@gmail.com. JoAnna can send you an invoice to your email address through Paypal if that works for you. Anyway you want to do it. We're easy here.........
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Thank you Steve, the wife and I moved into our new place today after months of renovation. Once we get settled I will get in contact! Thanks again to all of you fine gentlemen for helping out with this little endeavor! I don't think this tractor has been wired right since I was riding on Grandpa's knee.
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