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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Glad your ok. I like the front end weight looks like good use of a 2 cylinder deere block to me.
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Eldon (WA) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Points: 7765 |
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No matter what they say, a wide front will save you on a hillside! I used to custom mow with my 175D and 6' brush hog and it got a little scary on sidehills with the rears set in...now I upgraded to an 8' wide mower and set the wheels way out and I feel a lot safer. The tractor will slide downhill before it will tip. Narrow fronts are just bad news on hillsides!
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Redpower1456 ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Location: Central Texas Points: 179 |
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That would have been scary. Glad you were able to think fast and bail out quickly. Thanks for posting.
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Reeseholler ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Location: Port Matilda PA Points: 294 |
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you know, people say this is an over run topic, but I'll tell you what. I'm glad you posted. Everytime I see one of these stories I remember. When you're 18, you have a lot to look forward too and I always need a reminder to just slow down and pay attention. Besides, I'm on a tractor. A lot of times it doesn't get any better than that.
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Jim Lindemood ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Dry Ridge, KY Points: 2569 |
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Glad you are OK. Pretty scary for a moment. Thanks for posting ---- stuff happens fast. Ya'll take care in the New Year.
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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Thank you so much for posting this informative post. In this day it is so easy to forget that gravity always wins.
You know, I had two very good friends and customers killed on our tractors. Somewhat unusual since Allis Chalmers has the outside final drives and lower center of gravity. That said, things like a front end loader in the up position and or a chuck hole can do you in.
When I was about 10 Pop had me drive a B with a mower to the fair site from the unloading site. Said to keep it in first gear. There was a truck following me and a drove the B with the mower blade hanging on the down side over a very steep enbankment. Did not turn but later when I realized what I had done I stood there and shook.
You never can be too careful even with the more modern machines.
Delighted to hear you are fine.
Happy New Year!
Good Luck!
Bill Long
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papastanh ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Nov 2010 Location: Edgington, IL Points: 87 |
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Oh how quick such a thing can happen. Glad you are ok.
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ToddSin NY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: Newark,NY Points: 1034 |
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SCARY!! Glad to see yu are ok!! Where in NY do you live??
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Daniel Adams ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 2020 Location: Colorado Points: 1 |
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.Anyone driving on a hillside needs to first get a simple tool (called by different names) so you can avoid reaching critical tilt. Its called a tilt meter, tilt guage, clinometer, inclinometer, ect. Not expensive.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8088 |
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common sense is cheaper....
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2869 |
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Shocker it’s a NFE baffles me the guys in here that convert a perfectly good WFE and make it narrow.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Play Farmer ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: NNY Points: 732 |
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Wow, that's scary. Glad you're ok.
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m16ty ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1463 |
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I don't know, I think that would just give a false sense of security. The guy said he was on a hill and ran into a hidden hole on the lower side. He could have very well been within the limits gauge, but still run into the whole and turn over. It's also hard to make a blanket statement of "don't go sideways on hills". On some farms around here, you are either going up, down, or sideways on hills. There just isn't any level ground to travel, so you can't help but go sideways on a hill sometimes. A man just has to know his limitations. Wide fronts are a little safer on hills, but it doesn't make as big of a difference as people think. All a wide front does is raise the fulcrum point of the front axle closer to the tractor center of gravity, from the ground on a narrow to the pivot point on a wide. Of course you do have the axle stops on the wide, but on a hillside, by the time you hit the stops, you are beyond the point of no return. I have seen axle stops save a turnover on level ground, but not on a hillside.
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garden_guy ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 1124 |
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The older I get, the less I like inclines, especially while mowing. My mowing tractor has the rears set out halfway and loaded with ballast, but it is still a NFE.
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50871 |
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10 year old post, but still instructive...
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8172 |
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Good post as a reminder about safety on these machines. and all machines too!
A very good friend was mowing railroad right of ways for his Dads mowing business, on a 8N with a sickle bar. Steep sided banks. Not sure what happened but, I was devastated when they told me of the roll over accident that claimed Harold Smiths life at 14. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18748 |
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That is so sad Chris. Accidents DO happen, it's just one of life's mysteries, but with age comes wisdom. At 14 he was the same as all of us, in his mind, indestructible. It's a shame and a great loss for his family. He wasn't old enough to have the wisdom not to do whatever it was that happened.
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Dan Hauter ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Location: Carlinville, IL Points: 1223 |
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Very glad that you weren't injured. Way back in 1970 my parents had just built a new house on a hill overlooking a creek bottom. Dad, brother Dave, & I were doing some landscaping. Had a narrow front WD with a loader & Dad was carrying some railroad ties in the loader. The tractor turned completely upside down. Dad bailed off the back just in time. The tractor was still running! Dad crawled underneath & pulled the battery cables off to stop the engine. I still have that tractor, it's been repaired, restored, & goes to tractor shows now.
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Bill Long ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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I cannot tell you how DELIGHTED I am to see that you made it from that serious accident - could have been FATAL!!
You may remember in a post of mine some time back I lost a friend who was using a loader. You are never too safe. Remember, you are on borrowed time. Make the most of it. Good Luck! - you really have it. Bill Long ps: Interesting how well the tractor looks. They are TOUGH
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Dan Hauter ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Location: Carlinville, IL Points: 1223 |
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Way back in 1970 my parents had just completed a new house on a hilltop overlooking a big creek bottom. I was 15 and brother Dave was 13. We were helping Dad do landscaping. Dad had a WD narrow front with a loader on it and was carrying railroad ties in the loader. Dave & I heard the tractor roll over, turned around, & saw Dad's legs sticking out from under the tractor. We RAN over to the tractor to see what happened to Dad. Dad had rolled off the back just in time, the engine was still running in spite of the tractor being completely upside down, rear wheels were turning, & Dad crawled underneath to pull the battery cables off to stop the engine. I think we all suffered a little trauma that day! Still have that tractor today. It's been restored & goes to tractor shows.
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Rick of HopeIN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hope, Indiana Points: 1296 |
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A lot of accidents occur when running a side hill, even a moderate one on tricyle tractor and then dropping rear wheel in a hole or soft spot. Of course when I was young, never thought about that stuff. Our own family tractors were mostly wide fronts by the time I was running them, in our area there were enough hills the tall tricycle type tractors had fallen out of favor I suppose. I had a bad experience on neighbors Deere 60 when I was raking hay too fast and a rear brake locked up on an end turn. Learned not to do that again and throttle way back before turning.
Bush hogging is especially bad since the weeds hide stuff. Many a front end casting broken by dropping in a hole. Glad you came out OK. Edited by Rick of HopeIN - 02 May 2020 at 10:06am |
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1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless
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Aaron123 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Apr 2020 Location: Monroe WI Points: 82 |
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Wow glad you are ok .
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200 10and20 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2019 Location: Tim Buk Tu Points: 217 |
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As a kid back in the early sixties I was taught the only thing we ever used a narrow front was for planting and backing wagons in the shed. Wide front for everything else. That setup doesn't look save to sit in a barn let alone use.
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Rick of HopeIN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hope, Indiana Points: 1296 |
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In the mid 60s, front mount cultivators and mounted pickers had faded away so not much need for narrow front.
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1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless
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m16ty ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1463 |
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I’m still a fan of narrow fronts. If anybody has a narrow front D19, I will gladly trade you a good wide front for it. I’ll also take any 100 series narrow fronts, and give you a wide to replace it with.
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