if everyone quit spraying where would the price o

I remember in high school being told the American Farmer feeds the world! Well I now know the world feeds itself . Sure some countries buy a lot of grain from us because they have to to keep their people fed and avoid revolution against their government. There are no famines like I remember in Africa or Asia. People that starve today are the result of powers that be wanting them to starve as a means of control! I personally believe that taking chemicals and GMO crops out of farming would bring a shortage for awhile and people would have to adapt. You would see less disposable income devoted to buying things and more to gardens and canning. Old ways of living would come back once people realized that they had to produce their own food. Of course there would be mass upheaval in society. Once that was worked out by the haves and have not's society would adapt. Humans are very adaptable! Our species has adapted for many thousands of years!

Weeds are simply plants that man has not figured out how to make them into something beneficial to us. Some day these things might cure cancer. I said might. Yes I spray and cultivate just like we did 50 years ago so no need to holler at me.

wide wrote: I hear they have been using beet juice inside tires for weight too,..  instead of the corrosive stuff.  If it gets a leak it probably looks like your tire is bleeding

You'll have to throw them some leftover scraps from the local nursing home.
I only have 2 chickens but they eat better than me.
 Chickens are a great way to use leftovers from stores and restraunts.
 My buddy comes home with his pickup loaded from a trip into town.
Pastrys and freshish vegy and fruit.

 Also a good time to mention the midwest is gearing up to be a big hazelnut producer.
 80% of our hazelnuts come from Turkey.
 20% from the west coast.
 Mark Shepard has crossed the west coast commercial hazels with our midwest wild ones.
 Has been stunning them for years.
 Sustained Total Utter Neglect.
 Droughts, coldest winters etc.
 Selecting which ones can handle it and produce the biggest, mostest the earliest. And has come up with some durable and productive bushes.
 Genetics are constantly being improved.

 While Rockefellers are planting 10s of thousands of them on the east coast,
 the midwest has been doing the same.
 Who gets the first processing plant built?  We'll see.
 3 years until the first small crop.


Edited by wide - 04 Apr 2019 at 5:13pm

Well that would be something to see, sounds feasible. My luck the chickens would all want steak and potatoes.  

[/QUOTE] I always wonder where this 2 billion bushels is. Every year "they" (USDA) tells us we have huge carryover. If we have say a 1 or 2 billion bushel carryover per year for the last 10 years-then shouldn't we have 10 to 20 billion bushels stored somewhere? I wonder where that is or am I looking at this all wrong?[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are looking at it wrong.
Start the year with 2 billion bu carryover, grow 10 billion bu, use 10.5 billion bu and you have a carryover of 1.5 billion bu from that year, to the next year.
Here is another way of looking at it. If you have a 10% surplus, that means you only have a 35 day surplus of corn on hand for the next year. And what if that year is like the one in the late 1800's, that did not have a summer, due to a volcano.

how much less farm land will there be in five years  and how  many more people ?  can yeilds really go down ? 

ac fleet wrote: The carryover is only on paper in govt. officials desk.  Grain can't be stored for 10 years without going bad. ---The guys down the road here can't even store his for one season without problems! ---- The so called carryover is a govt. tactic to keep the grain prices low.

Are you saying we're being duped?

wide wrote: ...and new solar, robot weeders, ha.  No one addressed the point I made about this years surplus,  or the fact we grow more than we can sell,  cheaper than it cost to grow it if you had to pay yourself a fair wage. There are good ways to grow food without chemicals. https://mainstreetproject.org/ Chickens kill bugs and weeds,  trees don't need to be planted every year.

I always wonder where this 2 billion bushels is. Every year "they" (USDA) tells us we have huge carryover. If we have say a 1 or 2 billion bushel carryover per year for the last 10 years-then shouldn't we have 10 to 20 billion bushels stored somewhere? I wonder where that is or am I looking at this all wrong?

30" cultivators have been around as long as there have been 30" corn planters

For the first time you will see 24 and 30 row cultivators but it will be easier for the next generation with auto steer.🙄

ac fleet, that may be a bit extreme, what was grown on the land 50 yr ago? 25 yr ago? I am not advocating using nothing. I do question what is being done to our health by some (not all) 'advancements'.

To certain point, it is a conversation worth having. There is no disagreement that in the last 20-30 years the basic 'feedstuffs' of what humans ingest has changed drastic than in 200-300 years previous. Our genetics have so altered in the corn, wheat, soybeans, etc., many millions of people are having increased challenges digesting what is eaten. Ever wonder when a 'bug resistent(sp) hybrid' is developed what that really means? That means the insect cant digest that plant because the genetics of that plant have been altered, dontcha think a few humans may then have the same issue? Increased yields are all well and good, but we then spend billions on herbicides, insecticides, increased healthcare for people, just so he have a bit more basic boring food to eat to save the farmer from getting on that cultivator and cultivating 2-3 times per year?

The basic point I am trying to make is, our food is changing faster than the human body can adapt too.