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    Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 1:07pm
Good to see another 190XT back in action.
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I appreciate you guys and your advice. Let me try and ease your minds. I got the loader with the engine doner tractor. The only thing I plan to pick up with the loader is the hay ring. Did do it for the picture. Also I am going to try and build a subframe back to the rear end. I'd much rather have a lightweight Allis loader but I don't.
1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV
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Yeah this set up isn't good! The loader frame needs to be reinforced to the back axle ,, and the ole West Allis metal is getting fragile in high stress points! Seen it happen!
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The tractor will break in half just behind the bell housing. Have seen it four times in the last 40 yrs and each time it was big round bales on the front and the rear.
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here is my 69 series 3

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1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV
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Originally posted by DSeries4 DSeries4 wrote:

Lose the muffler.  The turbo breaks up the sound waves.  The muffler restricts airflow and holds heat in.  Turbo 190s never had mufflers.
I just haven't had time to get a pipe yet the muffler was on the tractor I got the engine out of. Not really much of a muffler anyway it's straight through.

Edited by oldways - 19 Jun 2019 at 11:15pm
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Lose the muffler.  The turbo breaks up the sound waves.  The muffler restricts airflow and holds heat in.  Turbo 190s never had mufflers.
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Originally posted by JayIN JayIN wrote:

Wal Mart????? Holy cow!!!! Whooed a thunkit?

Probably not carried by Wal Mart, but sold by a third party through the Wal Mart web page. You can usually have the item delivered to your local Wal Mart for pickup. Wal Mart is trying to position themselves as another Amazon. Of course they get a cut of the action.

I like to look and see if the seller has their own web page. Sometimes it's available at a slightly lower price and sometimes they don't charge sales tax. Of course you get good buyer protection when purchased through Wal Mart.
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Be careful going over rough ground with that set up. Could crack the torque tube.
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1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV
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Originally posted by oldways oldways wrote:

When I googled searched for turbos it popped up and I told my wife this has got to be a scam. She orders things there all the time so she got on her account and put in the part # Shure enough there it was. I couldn't believe it. It's definitely a Chinese copy of A&I. All I had to do was run a new oil feed and return as I had a Rayjay. Turbo seems like it's going to be fine. I'll post some pics of it.


The one I bought said A&I right on it. Guy that put the engine together said he found the China markings later. That long term project is dang neat done so I'll run it and see. I've had a bone for a 190xt for a long time. This isn't AC country and 190's are not common and still not ever cheap.Could slinging a combine engine in a gas be a viable option?

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Wal Mart????? Holy cow!!!! Whooed a thunkit?
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV
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The only real hang up was running a fuel return line back to the tank. I bought some braided stainless line and AN fittings and ran one back to the tank inside the cab and dumped it in the top of the tank. I'll post some pics of how I did that also.
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When I googled searched for turbos it popped up and I told my wife this has got to be a scam. She orders things there all the time so she got on her account and put in the part # Shure enough there it was. I couldn't believe it. It's definitely a Chinese copy of A&I. All I had to do was run a new oil feed and return as I had a Rayjay. Turbo seems like it's going to be fine. I'll post some pics of it.

Edited by oldways - 27 Apr 2019 at 11:23am
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I'm trying to grasp the concept of buying a turbo at WalMart. I did buy an HX35 on line several years ago. Turned out to be an A&I. And still turned out to be Chinese.

Were there any major hangups in the gas to diesel switch?

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I am curious whether the 190XT gas ever got the 4-pinion rear end setup, or was it limited to the Turbo only?
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started it up tonight for the first time since the swap. Been slow going waiting on seals and parts also life tends to get in the way. I found a brand-new turbo online at Wal-Mart.com. 209.00 free shipping ! Seems to be fine.
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She's standing on her own now. New clutch, pressure plate, pilot bearing and throw out bearing.
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In the summer I pull the pin and remove the lower door it hangs in the tractor shop. I have aftermarket steps it's a lot easier to get in and out than the horible factory step.
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10-4 on the inner door hittin the clutch peddle , I got used to it and the cab is nice. I only have the cab on this one and the two 440's, It's a luxury to me since I never had them on any other tractors.
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Made by Stolper, that inward swinging bottom door half takes a bit of getting used. Could not give mine away off a Series Three so cut it off in pieces. 
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Originally posted by ac fleet ac fleet wrote:

I have a 190 xtd lll with a cab just like yours! ---The cab is really nice on these, other than a bit hard for me to get in and out of! I still love them.
As for making diesel out of gas,--- I would prefer gas! (I have had it with diesel motors!) ---They can use a lot of gas, BUT it does depend on how hard you pull them! My buddy has one ans it seams to be within reason as far as gas consumption!
You will have a nice tractor when you get it going! thanks; ac fleet
Does yours have the split door? Bottom one opens in and hits the clutch pedal ? What a terrible design.
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DiyDave the gas motor is in the parts tractor and bolted together. I thought about selling it but I figure It'll be worth more to me having it around for parts. Especially since I have have two to keep running for another 50 years.

Edited by oldways - 26 Mar 2019 at 8:14pm
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Put the gas motor back into the parts tractor, and you might just pay fer the deal!Wink
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I have a 190 xtd lll with a cab just like yours! ---The cab is really nice on these, other than a bit hard for me to get in and out of! I still love them.
As for making diesel out of gas,--- I would prefer gas! (I have had it with diesel motors!) ---They can use a lot of gas, BUT it does depend on how hard you pull them! My buddy has one ans it seams to be within reason as far as gas consumption!
You will have a nice tractor when you get it going! thanks; ac fleet
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Looks like you are going to have a nice tractor when finished. I have put diesel engines in several low hour gas tractors(Deere 3020 and 4020's). The difference in wear makes it very worth doing. Someday I want a 190 xt as my grandfather had a brand new one. I also like the looks of the Allis cab. Thanks for posting. Tom
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I'll second the jack idea. I'm going to file that one for later use too.
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The Jack's are very handy. I've split my B with the same set. Fully adjustable, and simple.
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