changing my new to me 190 gas to diesel
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Topic: changing my new to me 190 gas to diesel
Posted By: oldways
Subject: changing my new to me 190 gas to diesel
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 12:46am
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Neighbor down the way has been trying to sale me his 190 gasser, with cab for several years. He always said he wanted me to have it but I always thought the price was high for what it needed and i just never had the extra cash. I actually posted some pics of it on here a few years ago trying to decide what it was worth. He bought it brand new and took very good care of it. Mr Berry ( the previous owner) was a small farmer and did row crop and baled hay with the 190. He actually lives across the road from where my grandfathers farm was and Mr Berry and my great uncle (the reason Im orange) ( thats me and uncle Ed on his, now my G in the little picture in the corner.) would sometimes do custom baling together . Mr Berry's 190 gasser and Uncle Eds 190xt both going. The weather such as its been had me stuck out in the freezing rain on my cabless 190 for 2 hours feeding, and slopping in the mud. The next day I went talked to Mr Berry, I explained to him what it cost to fix these old tractors and keep em running. Told him I needed it to use and would never sale it. I knew his needed tires, exhaust manifold, throttle cable, choke cable, exhaust. etc. It hadn't been started in probably 6-8 years and hadn't been moved in 15+. I also told him that my cousin had recently offered me his 190 diesel with new tires and rebuilt diesel engine for cheap, that I would use it for parts to make this feasible. So i apologized in advance if i was fixen to offend him and shot him an offer. To my surprise he accepted it ! I traded a rifle and a little $ to my cousin for his beat to H3LL 190 with new back tires and recently rebuilt engine, Koyker loader. The Turbo is long past shot blowing oil out the exhaust, that was the last straw for him. When it finnaly dried up enough I went and aired up the tires On Mr Berrys 190 and drug it out of the shed it had been hiding in all these years. I spent the next two afternoons messing with it. Rigged up a lawn mower tank for gas. Throttle cable was rusted and broken. Ran some bailin wire into the cab with vice grips for a handle and made a throttle cable. Carpenter string for a choke cable, cleaned the points filled up the fluids and DROVE the old girl home !!! Man what a ride. had to stop once and refill the gas tank. only 5 miles from his place to mine, boy does the thing like the gasoline. Thats when i decided to swap in the diesel. I now own two tractors that worked together on occasion back in the day. Ive owned my Uncles 190xt for about 15 years bought it from him before he passed away. Ive got the gas engine out and its now in my cousins old tractor and its bolted back together Im still pulling parts off it for Mr Berrys. The diesel is in the frame and waiting on clutch kit to come in then ill be able to slide it back together, and then ill order a new turbo. My plan is to leave it all original except the engine swap and install a cab heater. Also going to put the Koyker loader on it as well. Sorry for the long story. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
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Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 12:50am
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------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 1:09am
   ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 6:08am
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OK.. so.... the short story is you've added two more to your collection !!!! Nice I saved the picture with the trailer tongue jacks ! Man, that's a great idea. I've actully got TWO, 3500# electric ones here collecting dust.I really like the adjustable pinning of the two together !! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:00am
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The Jack's are very handy. I've split my B with the same set. Fully adjustable, and simple. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: ksbowman
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:10am
| I'll second the jack idea. I'm going to file that one for later use too. |
Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:39am
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Looks like you are going to have a nice tractor when finished. I have put diesel engines in several low hour gas tractors(Deere 3020 and 4020's). The difference in wear makes it very worth doing. Someday I want a 190 xt as my grandfather had a brand new one. I also like the looks of the Allis cab. Thanks for posting. Tom |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:55am
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I have a 190 xtd lll with a cab just like yours! ---The cab is really nice on these, other than a bit hard for me to get in and out of! I still love them. As for making diesel out of gas,--- I would prefer gas! (I have had it with diesel motors!) ---They can use a lot of gas, BUT it does depend on how hard you pull them! My buddy has one ans it seams to be within reason as far as gas consumption! You will have a nice tractor when you get it going! thanks; ac fleet ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 1:43pm
| Looks like fun! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 4:59pm
Put the gas motor back into the parts tractor, and you might just pay fer the deal!
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Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:14pm
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DiyDave the gas motor is in the parts tractor and bolted together. I thought about selling it but I figure It'll be worth more to me having it around for parts. Especially since I have have two to keep running for another 50 years. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:18pm
------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
ac fleet wrote:Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 9:00pm
| Made by Stolper, that inward swinging bottom door half takes a bit of getting used. Could not give mine away off a Series Three so cut it off in pieces. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2019 at 8:57am
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10-4 on the inner door hittin the clutch peddle , I got used to it and the cab is nice. I only have the cab on this one and the two 440's, It's a luxury to me since I never had them on any other tractors. ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 12:20pm
| In the summer I pull the pin and remove the lower door it hangs in the tractor shop. I have aftermarket steps it's a lot easier to get in and out than the horible factory step. |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 10:12pm
 She's standing on her own now. New clutch, pressure plate, pilot bearing and throw out bearing. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 12:31am
 started it up tonight for the first time since the swap. Been slow going waiting on seals and parts also life tends to get in the way. I found a brand-new turbo online at Wal-Mart.com. 209.00 free shipping ! Seems to be fine. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 8:43am
| I am curious whether the 190XT gas ever got the 4-pinion rear end setup, or was it limited to the Turbo only? |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 10:29am
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I'm trying to grasp the concept of buying a turbo at WalMart. I did buy an HX35 on line several years ago. Turned out to be an A&I. And still turned out to be Chinese. Were there any major hangups in the gas to diesel switch? |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 11:22am
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When I googled searched for turbos it popped up and I told my wife this has got to be a scam. She orders things there all the time so she got on her account and put in the part # Shure enough there it was. I couldn't believe it. It's definitely a Chinese copy of A&I. All I had to do was run a new oil feed and return as I had a Rayjay. Turbo seems like it's going to be fine. I'll post some pics of it. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 11:25am
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The only real hang up was running a fuel return line back to the tank. I bought some braided stainless line and AN fittings and ran one back to the tank inside the cab and dumped it in the top of the tank. I'll post some pics of how I did that also. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 12:20pm
  ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 2:54pm
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Wal Mart????? Holy cow!!!! Whooed a thunkit? ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 3:03pm
The one I bought said A&I right on it. Guy that put the engine together said he found the China markings later. That long term project is dang neat done so I'll run it and see. I've had a bone for a 190xt for a long time. This isn't AC country and 190's are not common and still not ever cheap.Could slinging a combine engine in a gas be a viable option? |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 11:58pm
 ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 6:38am
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Be careful going over rough ground with that set up. Could crack the torque tube. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 6:52am
Probably not carried by Wal Mart, but sold by a third party through the Wal Mart web page. You can usually have the item delivered to your local Wal Mart for pickup. Wal Mart is trying to position themselves as another Amazon. Of course they get a cut of the action. I like to look and see if the seller has their own web page. Sometimes it's available at a slightly lower price and sometimes they don't charge sales tax. Of course you get good buyer protection when purchased through Wal Mart. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 9:06pm
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Lose the muffler. The turbo breaks up the sound waves. The muffler restricts airflow and holds heat in. Turbo 190s never had mufflers. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 11:14pm
------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 11:20pm
 here is my 69 series 3 ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 7:55am
| The tractor will break in half just behind the bell housing. Have seen it four times in the last 40 yrs and each time it was big round bales on the front and the rear. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 7:43pm
| Yeah this set up isn't good! The loader frame needs to be reinforced to the back axle ,, and the ole West Allis metal is getting fragile in high stress points! Seen it happen! |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 11:19pm
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I appreciate you guys and your advice. Let me try and ease your minds. I got the loader with the engine doner tractor. The only thing I plan to pick up with the loader is the hay ring. Did do it for the picture. Also I am going to try and build a subframe back to the rear end. I'd much rather have a lightweight Allis loader but I don't. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 1:07pm
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Good to see another 190XT back in action. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |