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BrianJones
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jun 2018 Location: Georgia Points: 23 |
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Posted: 09 Jul 2018 at 9:23pm |
Hey all,
My starter is going out on my 1957 AC WD45. It's been converted to a 12v system but I believe the starter may still be 6v. It's gone out recently and I have to knock it in order to start it. Any ideas where I can find a reasonable 12v start for this beast? Thanks. |
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7333 |
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Take it to a local auto electric shop. They can rebuild it and rewire it to run on 12 volts. I have done that with mine and they work great.
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Krazy Karl
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Location: SE MN Points: 203 |
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I see what your saying and wanting to convert it all too 12. But id take it to a reliable starter repair guy and see if they can convert or just rebuild the it to 6 volt and it should last
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CAL(KS)
Orange Level Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3786 |
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will work on 12v just fine as a 6v starter. thousands out there working that way
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Sugarmaker
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Brian,
Welcome! And we need pictures !:) Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11796 |
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I can rebuild it to 12V if interested. Drop us a line, or give us a call...
bb-customcircuits.com |
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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BrianJones
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jun 2018 Location: Georgia Points: 23 |
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I'll get pictures uploaded as soon as I can. The starter still works but I have to tap on it to get it to turn over. Could I just rebuild it as a 6v? Or is there a kit to make it a 12v?
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Dipstick In
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Remington, In. Points: 8602 |
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I won't change 6 volts to 12,,,,,,,,,,,, they work fine that way, and besides that they spin a "leeetle" faster, which I like on a cold day!
I took my first one to my electric rebuilder and he told me all about it............ It's been since 1992 that I have been doing this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Alvin M
Orange Level Joined: 24 Jun 2018 Location: PA Points: 765 |
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I have used 6v starters when changing to 12v on all brands from 1967. turns better and starter lasts longer . I do that on all the puller engines i build wc wd wd45 . if you have old spring type drive change to closed type
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DougS
Orange Level Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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6 or 12, I'd rather get rid of the old slide switch mechanism and covert it to a stud/solenoid.
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8240 |
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each to their own.my 45 has been on 12V since 1981.Pulled starter a few yrs ago figuring brushes would b cooked. ...nope
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marion
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please explain difference in drives, have several spring drives on bench broken
where do you get the closed type drive. picture would be great if possible
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Alvin M
Orange Level Joined: 24 Jun 2018 Location: PA Points: 765 |
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any starter repair shop .has 10 tooth and a rubber drive at back of unit to replace the spring . I have used them for years
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823 |
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Maybe you should take the switch off and file the contacts flat so they make good contact.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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My CA has been 12v for at least 20 years. It finally quit starting, but it wasn't a melted wire/armature/brush wear problem. Two of the springs that push the brush against the commutator broke. The brushes were worn so I got a brush/spring kit and decided to get 12v fields for it.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6291 |
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Brian, if it needs a rebuild you might as well go to 12V, but a 6V will work just fine. Steve in NJ is tops for anything electrical for these old tractors as well as carburetors. BTW welcome to the Forum. What part of Georgia are you located?
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john(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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My D14 starter used to grind almost every time I tried to start it when I went to 12v. I finally took it to a local shop here and he converted it to a 12v starter. Engages right every time and starts it right up in one or two turnovers every time unless I forget to turn on the gas!!
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DougS
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I'd say that servicing the bendix had more to do with fixing the grinding problem than converting the starter to 12 volts, John.
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JoeO(CMO)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Cent Missouri Points: 2694 |
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Sounds like it needs to be cleaned and new brushes installed.
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john(MI)
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If that be the case, it's odd that two did the exact same thing. The old starter and a new(rebuilt) one.
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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11796 |
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When you apply 12V's through 6V field coils, it tends to make the Starter motor violent. This can lead to cracked nose cones, damaged ring gears or broken drives. Converting a 6V Starter to 12V's with a 12V Battery on board, makes the Starter last twice over, has a nice smooth engagement, and getting rid of the mechanical switch and moving to a Starter relay and key crank start Ignition switch brings that 40's Tractor into the 80's along with a loooong service life. Lottsa' pluses.... HTH Steve@B&B
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BrianJones
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Thank you everyone for the information and advice. I think I'll just rebuild it. Steve, is there a 12 volt kit online anywhere?
Also, I have pictures of it on my phone now. I'll try and get them uploaded. She's a beaut. |
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Steve in NJ
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I don't offer a kit myself. I rebuild the whole unit including rewinding the Armature. Be careful of "kits" for Starters and Generators and such. In most cases, you don't get the correct parts! When you tear down a unit like I do, and go through top to bottom, there's no room for error. Take out old worn parts, and install top quality parts and mate all components and there is no problems and long service life. On 12V Starter conversions I loose the mechanical switch and install a HD relay. Install a nice HD key crank start ignition switch and its a done deal.... Steve@B&B
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BrianJones
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I'm trying to figure out how to upload images for you guys but it says the data file even for one photo is too large.
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