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Dave(inMA) 
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 Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 9:27pm |
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And may all those fixes work!
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 8:19pm |
Folks, All good suggestions and comments. I did check the side wear of the oil pump shaft, (best I could) it was about at the .008 inches. Moved the driven gear over towards the idler gently and used a feeler gage between the gear and housing. Checked gear protrusion from the base with a straight edge across gears (no gasket) and the clearance under the straight edge was about .002 inches. I choose to use some sealer on both sides of the gasket. a very thin coat of gray premetex. This gasket and inspection are really the only things I did, time will tell if it made a difference. The original gasket was there but one corner looked like part of it might have been missing.
So sploke I would suggest that you give the pump at least a good inspection and a new gasket. BTW the gasket was in the kit and it just did not register that I needs replaced.
Yes there is a screen wired on to the pump.
When all said and done will see if it was worth it to do all that disassembly for a gasket! My thought was that the pump might have to have some additional work and that it would be eaiser to replace the pan gaskets too.
Engine is back in place. Just trying to get the rest of the details buttoned up. The engine leveler worked great. I had to put the crank engaged to roll the engine over just a smidge to get the clutch spline to align. Used 1/2 inch alignment dowels.
Lynn, guess I should have tried to check that too. Maybe we need a good thread on how to check and repair one of these WD or WD45 oil pumps?? The book has some of the words to disassemble and check, but is not very in depth, unless you have more on the ball than I do.
FYI WD gears are not as long as the WD45 pump gears.
Had a brain fart when installing the new pressure plate. I over torqued one of the bolts and it snapped off. I was lucky there was a little of the bolt sticking out and was able to unscrew it. Went and got new bolts and lock washers. And watched the torque the next time too. Not sure why the Harbor freight torque wrench was not clicking or I just wasnt paying attention?
I also noticed that the flywheel has two F marks and two score marks about 3 inches away too. I remember reading about flywheels with two F marks. Cant remember the logic? Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 11 Jul 2019 at 6:49am
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JK in Pa
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 5:52pm |
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Lynn brought up a good point. The shaft is grooved full length so oil is forced up to lube that area under the gear. I have seen some shafts really worn in this area and some worn very little. I wouldn’t have used any sealer when installing the gear cover. Good luck Chris.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 4:50pm |
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It's a little late now,but the drive shaft in the pump can wear below the spiral drive gear and cause pressure leakage .
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 10:48am |
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Chris, I see you've already got one on there (like you'd miss a single detail?!?! lol), but until the other day I never noticed my WD45 hasn't had a compensating spring since I've owned it. I used to think maybe not enough friction on the quadrant for the throttle lever to keep it where I wanted it. I've always had to hold the throttle more or less when operating the tractor before this. NOT pleasant... Then the other day while looking at parts diagrams, out of the blue I noticed a spring that, well, mine didn't have lol. Embarrassed but oh well. Bought one, just arrived today. Funny the little things we miss but >ahem< "compensate" for, isn't it?
Great job, you've been an inspiration for a LOT of us. Thanks!
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 10:17am |
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Chris,
I did a little research on gear pumps, last night and most specs run, .002 - .005/.006, for the clearance between the pump gears and cover.
You can measure that with a depth mic or Plastigauge. I've yet to find the spec for the gear to the housing but, I'm still looking. Can you measure your clearance for that, using a feeler gauge?
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 9:55am |
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Folks,I was able to work on the WD45 a little today. A flat surface, 320 grit sandpaper, a little oil and lots of elbow grease and I removed the gear rings in the oil pump cover plate. |
good info...I suppose while I have my engine exploded all over my garage it would behoove me to take a look at this and possibly give the same treatment, just for insurance if nothing else.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 7:20am |
Hi Chris, Hope that takes care of it. Only thing I see is isn't the pump supposed to have a screen around it? The tractor looks amazing. You've made fast progress over the last month. My mother-in-law got here from New York last week along with 2 1/2 gallons of NY maple syrup. We're set for another year.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 9:36pm |
Folks, I was able to work on the WD45 a little today. A flat surface, 320 grit sandpaper, a little oil and lots of elbow grease and I removed the gear rings in the oil pump cover plate.
Checked the back lash and the shaft wear and spoke with Bill at Sandy Lake. Seemed to have some wear but nothing Bill had not heard of before. So continued the clean up of surfaces. added #2 gray permetex and the gasket and cover. Note that short screw goes at oil inlet position. light pressure on the screws then wait an hour and tighten up everything.
Took a trip to Sandy Lake and picked up the pan gasket set, and a Agco oil filter, a 9 spring pressure plate and this drawbar assembly. My drawbar parts had been cobbled together from WD pin hitch parts. I also got to look through some of their outside inventory!
Got the pan gaskets in place and the pan secured. Hope to set it back in the tractor tomorrow. The 9 spring pressure plate was what I had wanted for some reason, so that will be installed. I also got the spec on the pressure relief spring from Bill it is to be 3 inches long. That is the length of the second spring I installed and the oil pressure went up from the line to just past the N. Hoping this gasket on the oil pump solves some of the issue. Will know in a day or two.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 8:18am |
Dave, Working on it. Could be a combination of things. Oil pump gears and clearance seem to be about normal for this age machine. Will try a couple improvements, and clean some things up. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 10:26pm |
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Oh my. I'm sorry to see that lovely machine torn down like that. Hope the answers come quickly, Chris.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 9:48pm |
Folks, Last night:
Today:
3/8 extension through these holes in the lower frame rails allow straight access to rad and shroud bolts! Got to try to learn a little each day!
Some oil from front crank seal??
Will check on oil pump parts tomorrow. Enough for one day. Should sleep good. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 10:46am |
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Chis,
Did you find out what the actual oil pressure is?
My D17 didn't have a working gauge on it, when I bought it. I installed a SW gauge on it yesterday and got a high idle reading of 35 lb and a low idle of about 2 lb less, if that's any help.
I think 35 lb is fine for the RPM range that they work in but, I don't know the actual factory specs.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 8:54am |
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Chris, you can shim that spring to bring up the pressure. Don't get too crazy with the amount of shim. A new from AGCO spring might be another alternative.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 11:08am |
Dave, JK, Mike, Folks, The oil thing is not great in my mind. I used a WD45 oil pump. I did not rebuild the oil pump. Looks like if your doing one of these that should be a priority too. Little frustrating at the moment. I dont want to run it much till I figure out if its ok as is or if I need to start taking it apart again. I guess my expectations were that I might have oil pressure near the upper end of the gage. The gage/s assuming they are ok are indicators the issue is somewhere else and the only thing I can determine is the oil pump may be not up to specs. Thanks for the positive comments too! Yea those great grandsons may have a shot at playing with this toy someday too!  Regards, Chris
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Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 8:28am |
Chris, great looking 147! Looks like you are having a good time with the toys and the family and it doesn't get much better than that.
Hope you get the CA, then we can have one of these threads for them.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 8:18am |
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Really nice job on the “45”, Cris. Did you use a late WD or 45 oil pump in your rebuild? I rebuilt my 53 WD a few years ago with a 45 crank and cam and nos 45 sleeves and pistons. After roughly 1550 hours and Wally’s 5-30 it does L at cold idle and M at hot idle with a tested gauge. I hope your pressure problem is not serious after all the work you put into it. Good luck.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 6:40am |
Chris - those pictures with the great grandkids are a treat! Nice to know that the next generation of assistants is coming along.
Glad to hear that the ride went well and that your issues are fading!
I don't know which spring is right for the oil pump, but that reading seems okay. Others may know more.... |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 9:49pm |
MD, Folks, We try to keep moving on this stuff. Assembly actually went pretty well. I have way to many projects and way to few years left!:) Hope your vacation was great! I found some other pictures that came through after I posted last.
Here is where the oil pressure is reading:
I put this longer spring in:
This is a picture of the two great grandsons and my and the WD45. Cooper is the little one and big brother Rhett.
Oh yes one more of me with the boys and another toy of mine. Cub 147r with straight pipe. Brings out the kid in you, when it's cracking!
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 9:13pm |
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Well now,this is a nice surprise!! Been away Boone/Appalachians all week and get to come in and see you’ve got it all finished up!! Mr Chris that is beautiful sir and to think a few ago you had parts scattered what seemed all over NW Pennsylvania 😬
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 8:51pm |
Folks, OK I did two easy changes in ref to the oil pressure. Took out the spring in the side of the block and replaced with a longer spring that was on the old 45 block. It may have moved the needle up a little. Then found a old gage in the vast warehouse and slapped it on. That one read just about on the O in NORMAL. So varied the idle speeds. and ran it for maybe 30 minutes. Also wanted to get that alumi seal through the water areas. The water leak seams much less to none. Will monitor. Took the tractor for a short ride down the road. All gears functioned, Both clutches worked as expected. Brakes need adjusted a little tighter but work. Lights were good. Temp came up to mid green range.
Had to take the idle screw out of the carb and clean off the painted threads. It was too slow at idle and would stall. Paint had the threads buggered up. Have it set up for little higher RPM's at this point. Steering was tight but OK, no binding or crunching.
I guess it feels like a new WD45 might have felt back 65 years ago.
This is no way a good picture but the sunset was a nice orange! I thought it was fitting for the first ride!
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 6:44pm |
Folks, I picked up a new NAPA 7011 oil filter. I can see why the brand is called gold. It was $25 dollars. I wasnt expecting quite that much. I filled the filter with oil. Have to go out and see if that makes any difference. Next steps after that would be verify guage is OK. Next the spring/ assembly in the side of the block. And last would be to pull the pan and pressure test with oil to find the leak??? Hope we don't need to go there. Regards, Chris
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Chris, from what I've read about the oil pressure, it sometimes has to run and get the new filter completely full before it will register correctly. Hope it works it's way back up in time. Have you got a different gauge? I wonder if you could put a test gauge in line someplace?
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 7:27am |
IBWD MIke wrote:
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 7:21am |
Folks, Mike, Yes I know you have done much of this work and it is good to see it all come together. Thanks! I have the draw bar to install and the hydraulic hoses to get from Nic. Should be able to make the July 19th local tractor show at Sagertown PA Pioneer Steam and Gas Engine Society.
Current status of the WD45: I started it and let it run at various speeds for maybe 5-10 minutes with just water in the system. Put it away and this morning the leaks were stopped so the sealer that thew machine shop used did its job. Will put some of the lumi-seal in today and give it another run.
Oil pressure still lower than I expected.
I did get a package from a Allis parts guy who had this and other Allis items listed on a craigslist in OH. Spare WD45 carb:
Both great grandsons were over last night and they are chomping at the bit to get that 7045 done. So I will work on that a little bit too!
Nic and his boys, Cooper and Rhett.
Thanks for checking on me! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 06 Jul 2019 at 7:43am
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Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 6:56am |
That looks fantastic! Has to be a great feeling hearing it run after all the work.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2019 at 8:53pm |
Dave(inMA) wrote:
Excellent work, Chris! Congratulations on the start-up.
Grounding problems on the headlights? That'll teach you to do such a nice job painting the tractor!!
Hopefully there'll be some good hints on the coolant leak and the low oil pressure. [Such as try another gauge to see if you get the same result? Assuming it's a bypass system, check center tube in the filter? Filter brand?]
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Dave, Folks, Using a NAPA 7011 oil filter. Checked the vertical oil tube. Looks ok. Gage could be the issue. I guess the used spring I put in could be weak? More to do on that.
On the coolant leaks I talked to the machine shop and the insert he put in the head is a larger threaded insert (not heilicoil type) He did put sealer on the threaded insert. The thought is that when the engine gets hot it may seal up the leaks. I am going to put in a tube of Lumi seal tomorrow and let the engine come up to temp. This should also help with the sealing process. I have taken the antifreeze out and filled the tractor with just water. Thi sis also recommended by the machine shop in case water was to get in the oil. Better to have just water than antifreeze which v=can ruin the bearings.
Got both ends of the gas line sealed up with a couple wraps of PFE tape.
Adjusted the main jet in about 1/4 turn and rotated the distributor a little to smooth out the engine.
Burnt/ hot paint smells keep you alert at this point too! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 06 Jul 2019 at 7:44am
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Congrats on the starting ceremony. It's always a great feeling when an engine starts that you have been working on. All the doubts about what you may have done or not done go away. Good looking job.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2019 at 7:20am |
Excellent work, Chris! Congratulations on the start-up.
Grounding problems on the headlights? That'll teach you to do such a nice job painting the tractor!!
Hopefully there'll be some good hints on the coolant leak and the low oil pressure. [Such as try another gauge to see if you get the same result? Assuming it's a bypass system, check center tube in the filter? Filter brand?]
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Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 10:19pm |
Folks, The good the bad and the ugly! Had a good day tinkering with the WD45 today. Brought it up on TDC, set the distributor, installed the spark plugs, and wires. Added some of the major decals. You just sometimes have to get it done! They came out acceptable, always a challenge for me. Nice to slap the 45 stickers on the grill. I need a picture of correct placement for the power crater decal?
Finished up the wiring. Double triple checked found some things out of position. Completed the dash assembly. Added gas and antifreeze. Let it set for 4 hours and when I came back I had a puddle of antifreeze on the floor, maybe a half cup. Found that the inserts used to repair the manifold bolts were and still are leaking pretty good, Two manifold holes were repaired. Both are leaking. Not sure if this is going to improve or not??
Back of dash:
At this point I hooked up the last electrical connection, the ground on the battery. Had to fight ground issue on both headlights, but the tail light work immediately.
Volt meter showed 12 volts when switch was on.
Figured what have I got to loose. Turned on the gas. Jumped in the seat and I barely touched the starter lever and it was running. Oil pressure was much lower than I expected. It moved up but was not in the normal range?? Backed out of the garage under its own power, it stalled at idle but started right back up next try. Back into the garage for the night. Run time maybe a minute or two. So we have some minor issues, but at this point I am Ok. Will think about it a while.
Funny, I bought the tractor this WD45 block was in on July 4th 2013 as a non running WD. Hope I can get the bugs worked out and this pesky head leak solved!
Appreciate all the help from the folks on here to get me this far on our WD45 project.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Jul 2019 at 10:27pm
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