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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Posted: 19 Mar 2016 at 7:33pm |
Started removing the engine for a little engine rebuild, this one will be getting 6 NOS pistons and sleeves,gasket set, ex-manifold and a hand full of more NOS parts the owner has just for this tractor. It's nice installing NOS parts again just like it was back in the good old days.
Like all jobs you have to start somewhere. lol Edited by Don(MO) - 20 Mar 2016 at 9:30am |
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7317 |
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Nice looking tractor. I am sure it's in good hands now!
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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Pulled the head off and all six sleeves are down to low so I'm thinking the block will get decked and counter bores re-cut so the engine is coming out, no quickie in-frame on this one.
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LeonR2013
Orange Level Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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Don is that considered a PC head? Leon Cmo
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8188 |
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Sorta,,Lanova is diff than than other pre cup systems
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FHOliver
Bronze Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Elgin Il Points: 58 |
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Don, Ive wanted to thank you for some time now for the great info and pics. It helps tons of guys. Also have a D19 story to share. 1978 I worked in a dealer and we did a lot of work for one farmer who was all allis. His d19 had 10,000 hrs on it and i mean they were hard hrs. he wasnt exactly gentle. It limped in on about 4 cylinders and I rebuilt it for the first time, eng never was touched before. The block was so bad cracked and low sleeves and everything you could think of was wrong. We just orderd a new block and it showed up in 3 days from batavia ill. dont remember cost. Dont ya wish we had a crystal ball and ordered extras ha ha. I Uncrated it, steam cleaned it, and carried block to shop area. later looked at shipping papers and block alone was between 280 and 300 lbs. I never could pick one up again !!!! More muscle than brain back then not a lot of either now !! all new injector tips and beautiful rebuild , cuople hrs on dyno and she was a sweetheart
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Leon the short answer is yes it's a PC head and Steve is spot on it's a little bit diff, I will try to find the video of the Lanova head setup and post it.
Frank nice story about replacement engine and funny you posted about installing one in a D19, this D19 engine is a replacement two. I have not nor will I try to lift one of them up.lol |
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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I didn't find the video I was looking for but this might help you understand better how the
Allis Chalmers Buba Diesel head works. Lanova systems and most pre-cup Diesel systems are a little bit diff but this will give you some idea how it fires. I hope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3eK_EvsBE |
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FHOliver
Bronze Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Elgin Il Points: 58 |
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Don, in hindsight I didnt mean to hijack the thread. please keep pics coming, Also how can you tell its a replacement ? lack of serial # ?
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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First off you didn't hijack. Yes the lack of the ser # is one way to tell. |
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pilot Grove, MO Points: 3115 |
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Don. That tractor will sure be one the owner can crow about when you get it done. Mike
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1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Mike the tractor owners like you and the nice guy that own this tractor's make my job a piece of cake. I can't name who my customers are in-less they let me, I'll bet he will let me sometime. lol |
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DonDittmar
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2480 |
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I've been there
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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
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Michael Crowe
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kansas City Points: 1722 |
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Don, no harm in disclosing its my tractor. I'm looking forward to using it with the new motor.
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ac45dave
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 May 2015 Location: SE(IN) Points: 1336 |
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all i can say, it's in the best hands it could be in.
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8627 |
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Hmmmmm. Is there some puns going on here that Michael "Crowe" should be able to "crow" about this tractor when it's done? I am envious "in a good way" of this project. BTW, nice talking to you this morning Don, and I will definitely be getting back to you soon. Darrel
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OnlyAC
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Location: Ohio Points: 10 |
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Any update on this project or progress pictures. I have a D19 Diesel that runs really rough until it warms up and I feel like I will need to do a rebuild on it as well.
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TomMN
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elbow Lake, MN Points: 858 |
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Since the Lanova system is being discussed here I can post a picture we took of the cut-away WD45 diesel head and air-cell with an injector firing. The main portion of the fuel pulse is directed into the air-cell. Since the stream flows across the combustion chamber in the head some of the outer mist from the injector misses the air-cell hole and ignites there. The piston is still on its way up during the injection pulse so the beginning of the flame in the combustion chamber enters the air-cell igniting the fuel there. All that exploding pressure is metered out through the orifice of the air-cell. You can see that the WD45 air-cell has two spherical chambers with metered orifices, not sure if the D19 air-cells are the same. I put together what information I could find on the Lanova system back in 2006 when I was working on mine. Here is a link to that:
http://www.allis01.com/fossto/Lanova_System.html |
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TomMN
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elbow Lake, MN Points: 858 |
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One more fun picture of the Lanova cycle.
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Tom that's a nice cut away and tells the story way better that I can, good job. Thanks for posting it. |
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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I had some time this week to dig into the D19 and found some rounded camshaft lobs and lifters cupped, crankshaft will be getting reground, block decked and counter bores re-cut. It's a good thing the owner has lots of NOS parts for the D19.
Looks like one more total rebuild. |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8254 |
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Don,
Your right into it now! Great pictures of what to look for on these engines. Thanks for posting the pictures. I love the before and after stuff and the inspection work needed to determine next moves. What are the big items that folks cant get any more for these engines? Is there a list of things that you just cant get as remans? Regards, Chris |
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Well Chris the list of part that can't be found new or rebuilt is long for the D19 engines, it's a hunt for parts for the 230/262's gas or Diesel. Right now it's a hunt for piston/sleeve kits, things like the cam just are not in-stock even from AGCO. That's what makes them so much fun to rebuilt and I like the parts hunt. lol
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OnlyAC
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Location: Ohio Points: 10 |
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Well, I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling about mine now. My Dad had purchased my D19 and he is no longer with us. It has always misfired when cold but looking at all the problems they seem to have and the lack of parts, this is going to be an extremely tough restoration. Thank you for documenting all the problems with yours so I will know what to look for when I tear in to it.
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7317 |
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All 262 diesels run on the rough side when you start them up. No need to rebuild it because of that. Mine had 200 hours on a rebuild and was (still is) like that when I bought it. Put it to work after a few minutes and it runs great. Lots of power and very little smoke. |
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OnlyAC
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Location: Ohio Points: 10 |
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Well I know at least 1 cylinder if not 2 have low compression and don't fire until it warms up. We have had the injectors tested and they are fine. Makes it a bear to start even in warm weather. Without removing The head, are there any symptoms that would indicate that the sleeves have dropped? I'm worried that its going to look like the one Don is working on now and I don't want to hurt the engine before I get a chance to fix it.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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I can say the only symptom mine gave from dropped sleeves is leaking head gasket. After seeing that other mess that was brought to Don to straighten out, makes me wish I had take pics of my 262 as I took it apart. It didn't have the bad rookie advice that Don's customer got, but it had some bad machine/assembly work.
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TramwayGuy
Orange Level Access Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11445 |
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Has anyone ever tried to use shims under the sleeve flange to raise them up? Or maybe there's no such thing?
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Don(MO)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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Don't let some of the stuff that I run into stop you from rebuilding yours, parts are still out there you just haft to look harder now.lol
Older engines just need more help, just like older men need more help than we did years ago. lmao |
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8188 |
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If you could see how narrow the flange is,you would understand that a shim is about out of question. Don,if you get a chance,could you post a pic of either the sleeve or the counterbore to show how minute it is? |
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