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    Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 9:38am

   Hey Guys,,,Lookin ahead some,,,I posted an ad in the classifieds some time back but didn't find what I wanted, so I'm wonderin if anybody has done this.
   On my D14, the splines on the 13" driveshaft that drives the front mounted pump were wallowed out at the 4 bolt flange on the crankshaft end. I looked everywhere and never could find a replacement of the right size, either new or used.
Has anybody used one of the 3 jaw style Lovejoy couplings on their tractors,,?? There just ain't much room there for a very big anything other than the original or maybe this Lovejoy style,,,????
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if that's one of them aluminum ones with the rubber in between the jaws, it won't work, but they do make them with steel too, those might work! can't you make something on yer lathe? I do declare...me thinks yer gittin lazy in yer old age! lol
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Well,,!!! MR. Shameless,,,,,,,,,it just so happens,,,I ain't learn't how to machine rubber yet,,,so there!!!!!
Guess I could take a bunch of old bungee straps and super glue em together to get a big enough chunk of rubber and then,,,whittle em out with my barlow,,,huh,,,???   BOY,,,you just plumb full of GOOD ideas today,,,ain't you,,,???
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   Hey Shameless,,,,,,,,,,you just shot my idea on the Lovejoy coupling all to haides,,,,,
   that shaft has to have "some" type of support on either of the two ends,,,it can't just float. The shaft has a small roller chain at the pump end and the shaft was somewhat "supported" by the splines at the crankshaft end,,,,,,or am I makin somethong outa nothing,,????
Whar's them engineers when Ya need em,,,????
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ain't ya gots a welder?
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Joe stiners sells an adaptor which will bolt right onto your crank shaft pullie and take the six spline shaft from the Ford tractor.   Just call them with the spacing between the bolts then buy the Ford shaft and either extend it yourself or have a machine shop extend it. That is what I did with my d17 and d15.   No one around here wanted to cut the splines but they where happy to cut the shaft put it in a lathe and add a section to make it longer.
Those love joy couplers won't work for anything more then about 12 hp on the front of your tractor it will run the hydraulic pump for about 6 weeks before it falls apart... you need the spline shaft on the crank end to allow the motor to rock and the shaft to slide in and out just a little and the double roller chain on the front to take the force and fit in the space infront of the tractor between the motor and the pump. Surpluse center has the roller chain setup but you have to be careful to buy the really small one or it won't fit.

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Hey Dan,,thanks for chimin in,,,I got the new Steiner Annual catalog and I can't find the pulley you talkin bout I looked in the ford section on page 148 but the one listed doesn't have splines,,,???
I don't know what it is bout the machine shops not wantin to mess with splines but the local shop wanted $185 to machine a new shaft but I still would need the 4 bolt flange too,,,,
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http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1809-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-hub-adapter?CID=ABC1809&gclid=CJe66-DF1MoCFYEfHwod_TQAfQ
Joe you want one of these but make sure you check the centerline spacing between the bolts. They have the right one to match your d14 j just don't remember the bolt spacing.
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Joe when you call stiners ask if you can get Rachel to make a video with you on hooking up a front mounted hydraulic pump on a d serries tractor it would be really helpful as this doesn't seem straight forward.....
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I looked at a Lovejoy when setting up the front pump on my D17.  Didn't have enough room for it after I had the pump mounts made.  A double chain coupler is just as good and takes up a lot less space.
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Is this what you are looking for ?

I have these links saved in my 'favourites'

Gary
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Hub:

http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1809-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-hub-adapter

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Shaft

http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1814-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-shaft?&TF=8EF74A6D4D48
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crank pullie
front pump drive hub
shaft
That is the set you want but the shaft is too short. It was cheaper for me to buy the short shaft and have it extended don't know why but no one I talked to a few years wanted to cut the splines.
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Spline shafting is a pain to make in the machine shop. Spline couplers are a much more difficult task. Section S of the Baum Hydraulics catalog has a selection of splined shafts and couplers in PTO and other sizes. They don't seem to have flanged spline couplers but they do have splined weld a hubs that could be welded into a sprocket with holes added for bolting to the engine pulley. I think I found a hub that bolted to the pulley on my MF-135 with Continental engine long ago when I switched the loader from a PTO pump to a front mounted pump.

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Edited by Gerald J. - 31 Jan 2016 at 10:03pm
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I bought the 13" X 3/4" shaft which had 6 splines on one end and a keyway on the other along with the crankshaft adapter from e-bay about 3 years ago for my D-17.
The holes are  7/16" and the spacing is 2-3/4" which is a direct bolt-on to the D-17 crankshaft pulley. Both items together cost me $66.04 including S & H.
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Like this one.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-NAA-600-601-800-801-900-2000-6-SPLINE-HYDRAULIC-DRIVE-HUB-ADAPTER-54C2055-/151916236975?hash=item235ee9d0af:g:SLUAAOxyUrZSt0Iq
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Back in the '90s I ran a feed mill on a turkey farm. The feed grinder had a 30hp 3 phase motor with a Lovejoy coupler. As I recall, only replaced the rubber once in 2 yrs. Just gotta get the right size for the HP.
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DANG,,,lots of great info ,,,,The shaft on this tractor is 1",,,13" long with a 1/4" keyway and a sprocket at pump end. The crankshaft end is a 4 bolt hub that is 4" OD and bolt spacing at 2 3/4" with 3/8" bolts (7/16" bore),,,and according to one of the Guys is same as a D17,,,???
   If I switch to the 3/4" shaft,,I will have to buy the hub, shaft and a new 3/4" sprocket,and prolly the dang chain as well!!!,,,,may have to but I'm still lookin,,,,,,
In lookin at the Baum Industrial catalog that Brian mentioned,, there is a weld-on spline bore,,,but the OD is too big and would get into the bolt holes of the hub,,,,CHIT,,,,,there is also a square bore weld-on that might be promising but I could not find the chart that listed the dimensions,,,,,
I'm also thinkin,,, and let me throw this out there for the GURUs,,,,,How bout I machine out the splines in the hub and make a short "stub shaft" with 4 flats and weld this into the hub,,,,,then,,,machine 4 flats on the shaft,,,and make a rigid coupler bout 4" long with 4 allens at each end,,,,??? TEN FOUR,,,????
Keep bringin in these ideas and I'll leave Ya'll alone,,,,,,,,,yeah right,,,!!!
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Joe why not buy the shaft setup I showed and then when you have it extended just weld on the end you need to match you current double roller chain? It was the only option I could find about 3 years ago. And yes the same setup from crank pullie out with different lengths of the shaft are on my d15 with a 160 engine and the d17 with a 226 not sure if the 149 is the same or not.
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I think if you don't allow the coupling to slide towards the motor a little with the spline shaft you will wipe out the front seal in the pump. I know my old shaft showed ware that pointed out it was sliding in and out over time I am assuming this is important to protect the pump.
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Oh one other post I just remembered there is not enough room between the shaft and the counter weight and radiator to add a rigid coupler with set screws I tried that to while I was working on mine couldn't figure out how to make it fit.
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Hey Dan,,,well that's an idea bout mating the sprocket/shaft end to this new 3/4" shaft/hub and I had NOT measured for a possible solid coupling yet but do know there ain't a heck of a lot of extra room there,,,,
I don't know what kind of sealing assy there is on the pump but if it is a mechanical seal, there shouldn't be any end play movement or the faces separate and the pumpage will leak and prolly ruin the seal.
I might be wrong,,but I really think the reason the Mfgrs used this type of coupling arrangement for these pumps is so that either the pump/shaft/hub/ could be replaced with out having to remove engine.,,,,?????
Dang,,why do these simple things got to be so complicated,,,??????
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Joe my train of thought is that the motor vibration related to the counter weight is measurable and the splines provide a place for that to be taken out so the front seal on the pump doesn't take the abuse. On my pump it is just a press in seal with a snap ring to hold it in place nuts like all the other shaft seals you see all over these old tractors.   I am just guessing but it looked to me like you need the splines. Oh and check out your sprocket set before you reassemble mine was worn to little tiny points and needed to be replaced anyway.
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Take a look at a TB Woods Duraflex coupling. I don't have the chart in front of me but will have later today. They take a fair amount of movement and are very easy to install.

If you need any help sizing any coupling feel free to ask, part of my real job is selling them.
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Hey Joe

Steiner also has the 13" Shaft

Their P/N is 1820 $30.75

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http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1820-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-shaft

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What about sources for the pump mounting bracket and pump for a D17 Series III?
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I bought the pump from surplus center. The bracket I had made by a local shop I am sure if you called a salvage yard they would have one off an individual loader tractor.
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I'm using a pump off of a F gleaner combine for my loader. I don't have a lot of hrs. on the set up (maybe 150 hrs.), but it works just fine.
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Hey Dan,,Do you remember where you got the drive shaft and the hub for your loader,,??
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