Lovejoy style coupling,,,???
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Topic: Lovejoy style coupling,,,???
Posted By: desertjoe
Subject: Lovejoy style coupling,,,???
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 9:38am
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Hey Guys,,,Lookin ahead some,,,I posted an ad in the classifieds some time back but didn't find what I wanted, so I'm wonderin if anybody has done this. On my D14, the splines on the 13" driveshaft that drives the front mounted pump were wallowed out at the 4 bolt flange on the crankshaft end. I looked everywhere and never could find a replacement of the right size, either new or used. Has anybody used one of the 3 jaw style Lovejoy couplings on their tractors,,?? There just ain't much room there for a very big anything other than the original or maybe this Lovejoy style,,,???? Thanks for any and all help. 
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 9:41am
| if that's one of them aluminum ones with the rubber in between the jaws, it won't work, but they do make them with steel too, those might work! can't you make something on yer lathe? I do declare...me thinks yer gittin lazy in yer old age! lol |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 9:56am
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Well,,!!! MR. Shameless,,,,,,,,,it just so happens,,,I ain't learn't how to machine rubber yet,,,so there!!!!! Guess I could take a bunch of old bungee straps and super glue em together to get a big enough chunk of rubber and then,,,whittle em out with my barlow,,,huh,,,??? BOY,,,you just plumb full of GOOD ideas today,,,ain't you,,,??? 
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:04am
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Hey Shameless,,,,,,,,,,you just shot my idea on the Lovejoy coupling all to haides,,,,,  that shaft has to have "some" type of support on either of the two ends,,,it can't just float. The shaft has a small roller chain at the pump end and the shaft was somewhat "supported" by the splines at the crankshaft end,,,,,,or am I makin somethong outa nothing,,???? Whar's them engineers when Ya need em,,,???? 
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:17am
| ain't ya gots a welder? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:18am
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Joe stiners sells an adaptor which will bolt right onto your crank shaft pullie and take the six spline shaft from the Ford tractor. Just call them with the spacing between the bolts then buy the Ford shaft and either extend it yourself or have a machine shop extend it. That is what I did with my d17 and d15. No one around here wanted to cut the splines but they where happy to cut the shaft put it in a lathe and add a section to make it longer. Those love joy couplers won't work for anything more then about 12 hp on the front of your tractor it will run the hydraulic pump for about 6 weeks before it falls apart... you need the spline shaft on the crank end to allow the motor to rock and the shaft to slide in and out just a little and the double roller chain on the front to take the force and fit in the space infront of the tractor between the motor and the pump. Surpluse center has the roller chain setup but you have to be careful to buy the really small one or it won't fit. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:46am
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Hey Dan,,thanks for chimin in,,,I got the new Steiner Annual catalog and I can't find the pulley you talkin bout I looked in the ford section on page 148 but the one listed doesn't have splines,,,??? I don't know what it is bout the machine shops not wantin to mess with splines but the local shop wanted $185 to machine a new shaft but I still would need the 4 bolt flange too,,,, |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 11:16am
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http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1809-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-hub-adapter?CID=ABC1809&gclid=CJe66-DF1MoCFYEfHwod_TQAfQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1809-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-hub-adapter?CID=ABC1809&gclid=CJe66-DF1MoCFYEfHwod_TQAfQ Joe you want one of these but make sure you check the centerline spacing between the bolts. They have the right one to match your d14 j just don't remember the bolt spacing. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 11:21am
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Joe when you call stiners ask if you can get Rachel to make a video with you on hooking up a front mounted hydraulic pump on a d serries tractor it would be really helpful as this doesn't seem straight forward.....
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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 11:24am
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I looked at a Lovejoy when setting up the front pump on my D17. Didn't have enough room for it after I had the pump mounts made. A double chain coupler is just as good and takes up a lot less space. AaronSEIA |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 12:06pm
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Is this what you are looking for ? I have these links saved in my 'favourites' Gary ........................................ Hub: http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1809-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-hub-adapter ............................................. Shaft http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1814-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-shaft?&TF=8EF74A6D4D48 |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 12:34pm
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http://www.steinertractor.com/ACS089-crankshaft-pulley" rel="nofollow - crank pullie http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1812-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-hub-adapter?&TF=B57DD6E38E19" rel="nofollow - front pump drive hub http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1814-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-shaft?&TF=8EF74A6D4D48" rel="nofollow - shaft That is the set you want but the shaft is too short. It was cheaper for me to buy the short shaft and have it extended don't know why but no one I talked to a few years wanted to cut the splines. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 12:36pm
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Spline shafting is a pain to make in the machine shop. Spline couplers are a much more difficult task. Section S of the Baum Hydraulics catalog has a selection of splined shafts and couplers in PTO and other sizes. They don't seem to have flanged spline couplers but they do have splined weld a hubs that could be welded into a sprocket with holes added for bolting to the engine pulley. I think I found a hub that bolted to the pulley on my MF-135 with Continental engine long ago when I switched the loader from a PTO pump to a front mounted pump. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 1:19pm
  I bought the 13" X 3/4" shaft which had 6 splines on one end and a keyway on the other along with the crankshaft adapter from e-bay about 3 years ago for my D-17.The holes are 7/16" and the spacing is 2-3/4" which is a direct bolt-on to the D-17 crankshaft pulley. Both items together cost me $66.04 including S & H.
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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 1:40pm
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Like this one..... http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-NAA-600-601-800-801-900-2000-6-SPLINE-HYDRAULIC-DRIVE-HUB-ADAPTER-54C2055-/151916236975?hash=item235ee9d0af:g:SLUAAOxyUrZSt0Iq
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Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 9:55pm
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Back in the '90s I ran a feed mill on a turkey farm. The feed grinder had a 30hp 3 phase motor with a Lovejoy coupler. As I recall, only replaced the rubber once in 2 yrs. Just gotta get the right size for the HP. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Orange Tractors
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:01pm
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The trick to machining rubber is to freeze it first, then be quick. I learned this putting recoil pads on rifle stocks. Robert |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:29pm
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DANG,,,lots of great info ,,,,The shaft on this tractor is 1",,,13" long with a 1/4" keyway and a sprocket at pump end. The crankshaft end is a 4 bolt hub that is 4" OD and bolt spacing at 2 3/4" with 3/8" bolts (7/16" bore),,,and according to one of the Guys is same as a D17,,,??? If I switch to the 3/4" shaft,,I will have to buy the hub, shaft and a new 3/4" sprocket,and prolly the dang chain as well!!!,,,,may have to but I'm still lookin,,,,,, In lookin at the Baum Industrial catalog that Brian mentioned,, there is a weld-on spline bore,,,but the OD is too big and would get into the bolt holes of the hub,,,,CHIT,,,,,there is also a square bore weld-on that might be promising but I could not find the chart that listed the dimensions,,,,, I'm also thinkin,,, and let me throw this out there for the GURUs,,,,,How bout I machine out the splines in the hub and make a short "stub shaft" with 4 flats and weld this into the hub,,,,,then,,,machine 4 flats on the shaft,,,and make a rigid coupler bout 4" long with 4 allens at each end,,,,??? TEN FOUR,,,???? Keep bringin in these ideas and I'll leave Ya'll alone,,,,,,,,,yeah right,,,!!!
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:36pm
| Joe why not buy the shaft setup I showed and then when you have it extended just weld on the end you need to match you current double roller chain? It was the only option I could find about 3 years ago. And yes the same setup from crank pullie out with different lengths of the shaft are on my d15 with a 160 engine and the d17 with a 226 not sure if the 149 is the same or not. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:39pm
| I think if you don't allow the coupling to slide towards the motor a little with the spline shaft you will wipe out the front seal in the pump. I know my old shaft showed ware that pointed out it was sliding in and out over time I am assuming this is important to protect the pump. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 10:42pm
| Oh one other post I just remembered there is not enough room between the shaft and the counter weight and radiator to add a rigid coupler with set screws I tried that to while I was working on mine couldn't figure out how to make it fit. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 11:13pm
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Hey Dan,,,well that's an idea bout mating the sprocket/shaft end to this new 3/4" shaft/hub and I had NOT measured for a possible solid coupling yet but do know there ain't a heck of a lot of extra room there,,,, I don't know what kind of sealing assy there is on the pump but if it is a mechanical seal, there shouldn't be any end play movement or the faces separate and the pumpage will leak and prolly ruin the seal. I might be wrong,,but I really think the reason the Mfgrs used this type of coupling arrangement for these pumps is so that either the pump/shaft/hub/ could be replaced with out having to remove engine.,,,,????? Dang,,why do these simple things got to be so complicated,,,??????
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 11:50pm
| Joe my train of thought is that the motor vibration related to the counter weight is measurable and the splines provide a place for that to be taken out so the front seal on the pump doesn't take the abuse. On my pump it is just a press in seal with a snap ring to hold it in place nuts like all the other shaft seals you see all over these old tractors. I am just guessing but it looked to me like you need the splines. Oh and check out your sprocket set before you reassemble mine was worn to little tiny points and needed to be replaced anyway. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 5:23am
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Take a look at a TB Woods Duraflex coupling. I don't have the chart in front of me but will have later today. They take a fair amount of movement and are very easy to install. If you need any help sizing any coupling feel free to ask, part of my real job is selling them. |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 5:33am
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Hey Joe Steiner also has the 13" Shaft Their P/N is 1820 $30.75 Gary http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC1820-front-hydraulic-pump-drive-shaft |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 6:24am
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. ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: jeickman
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2016 at 5:32pm
| What about sources for the pump mounting bracket and pump for a D17 Series III? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2016 at 5:35pm
| I bought the pump from surplus center. The bracket I had made by a local shop I am sure if you called a salvage yard they would have one off an individual loader tractor. |
Posted By: DWC17
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2016 at 5:58pm
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I'm using a pump off of a F gleaner combine for my loader. I don't have a lot of hrs. on the set up (maybe 150 hrs.), but it works just fine. Dan |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 9:26am
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Hey Dan,,Do you remember where you got the drive shaft and the hub for your loader,,?? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 9:36am
| Joe scroll up and follow the links in my posting above it will take you to the 3 parts I bought. But the shaft was too short. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 9:46am
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Yeah Dan,,,I got that all wrote down and may have to go same route you went,,but still lookin for a set up with the 1" shaft. Most everybody has the set-up with the 3/4" shaft. I guess my set-up must of been the only'ist one they built with the 1" shaft,,,PFFffft,,!! Hey DWC17 where did you get the set-up you installed on yours and is it a 1" shaft,?? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 9:49am
| Joe mine had the 1 inch shaft new. I wanted to go that route myself but I wasn't about to pay the $1000 I was quoted by my now out of business then agco dealer. Can't guess why that dealer closed a few years back. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 10:00am
| Joe at the time I set up my systems I debated adding a pullie driven hydraulic pump to the d17 from the perspective that without the loader on the tractor it wouldn't be sticking out the front. I decided I wanted both tractors the same so I dropped the idea but I still think a pump mounted line an alternator would look nicer. |
Posted By: DWC17
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 6:24pm
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Anderson Tractor in Bluffton, Ohio. Dan |
Posted By: DWC17
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 6:27pm
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I think it is a 3/4" shaft. Dan |
Posted By: Joe in Manty
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2016 at 10:32pm
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Joe, I've been following this post to see what you are doing and what will work for me. My D15 has the loader running off the tractor's hydraulics. I've looked at Surplus Center, Baum Hydraulics, and others to find the parts I'll need to convert it over to live hydraulics. I am leaning towards a double chain coupler over the lovejoy for more reliability. I've also read the postings about the splined coupling on the crankshaft pulley.
All good information as others are going through the process as well.
Joe
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 5:55pm
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Hey Joe in Manty,,,gosh,,yheys a lot of Joes on here,,,but thas good,,,I think Ole Fred in Pa has the hub and the 13" shaft. I'll PM you. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 7:33pm
Joe and Joe just a reminder measure the shaft you need my d15 and d17 have the same mount on the front but the shaft is a different length. The distance from the front of the counter weight to the crank pullie is different between the d15 with the 160 and the d17 with the 226. So just make sure you get that right or you will be like me and taking that shaft to you local machine shop for stretching. ... |
desertjoe wrote:Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 8:19pm
| I thought you had a lathe? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 9:38pm
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Well,,,I'll have you know,,,I DO have a lathe and proud of it,,,OH,,,wait,,WAIT,,,,you was throwin thet barb at ole Dan,,,wasn' t you,,,,??? Sorry bout that, Shameless I musta got carried away seein as you becoming pretty good with your latest poker'er,,,
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 10:24pm
| Well I thought he was poking you Joe cause I don't have a lathe I would love to have one but don't even have a place I would dare to put it right now. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2016 at 11:04pm
| Joe, if you put in a new "dinky" 3/4 setup,it will out last you so cut the crap and get after it. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 5:22am
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Hey Joe in manty,,,ole SteveM must be talkin bout you on this one,,like maybe he's wantin for you to cut something,,,,,
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Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 7:07am
I thought the same thing awhile back Steve ,LOL . I use my D-14 hard. Mine is a 3/4 6 spline shaft with chain coupler .Had this tractor for 20 years and have not replace yet .I have put these 3/4 shafts in a few others and NO PROBLEM. I have the HUB and matching shaft witch is 13 inch long for the D-14. If anyone would like U can CALL me .717-451-6590 7 am to 8 pm eastern time . Steve I was thinking BATS .LOL BTW ,thanks for sharing ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 5:15pm
| Fred,I have anal moments myself but usually if you step back and think about it a bit,it makes sense to move on.He keeps asking for help but doesn't want what he's hearing.Whatdoya do? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 10:37pm
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steve,,,,"".He keeps asking for help but doesn't want what he's hearing.Whatdoya do?"" I don't know if you're directing this to me or to Joe in Manty that's chiming in on this post,,and sounds as if you are upset bout something,,??? I don't think I owe you anything,,,do I,,??? |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 10:52pm
| nope.makes no difference to me.Someone was wanting to fix their pump drive and complaining they couldn't get the 1in shaft setup like original worth the money. It was explained that a 3/4in setup was available and cheap.That seemed to go right on past them.... Was that U? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2016 at 11:00pm
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Well,,,I'll tell you,,,"The younger I get,,,the more I remember" AND,,,I didn't remember YOU tellin ME bout a 3/4" shaft being available but I did already know that little tidbit. I didn't want to go the smaller shaft route as then, I would have to also buy a new sprocket to fit the 3/4" shaft. I'm bad bout not wantin to replace everything just cause one part is messed up,,,,Ya' know?? |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 2:55am
| I liked that "get after it" part! LOL shucks Joe...yer lucky...you should be a farmer when bouts everything is messed up! LOL |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 8:41am
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Hey Good buddy,,,,well,,I'll tell you for sure,,,,Shameless,,,you farmers don't have a patent on "getting after it and makin things do",,,, My Daddy always told us,," If you gonna hire out to a man and take his money,,you need to do the best you can for him and NOT waste his money,,,AND while you at it,,,,,You Do the same for yourself"Money's just too hard to come by, and while some people are fortunate in being able to buy every piece when only one will do,,,I ain't cut like thet,,,, AND,,,,I don't feel I or anybody else that is tryin to save a dollar,,,should be chastised for doin so,,,!!!! I thank YOU for your support,,,!!!
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 9:11am
| Joe I will be the last person to say buy 2 parts when one will do but this is a case where good people have searched and the one part you are looking for either isn't out there to be bought or it cost way more then the newer style entire system to replace it new. Sometimes trying to get by with the least number of new parts isn't the least cost solution. In the case of this shaft if you can come up with the 1 inch shaft that matches your oem setup for less money them the entire 3/4 inch shaft solution my hat is off to you because I spent more then my fair share of time looking for that pot of gold and only found rainbows never the rainbows end. I think your only two cost effective solutions are buy the new setup or make the 1 inch shaft on your lathe. You just can't buy the part that is not out there at a fair price no matter how hard you try. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 9:44am
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Hey Dan,,,OH,,I fully understand and hear where you comin from,Guy,,,and I did in fact, follow most of the same steps you and several others here as well have done lookin for a solution and I just couldn't come up with something I felt would suit my pistol. But be'in a Red Blooded American Boy,,and be'in Thrifty, (love thet word) I come up with a solution that cost me less than half the cost of in kind replacement.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 10:16am
| cheap...did I hear the word..."cheap"? LMAO ooooops....sorry Joe! I guess it's every time I see that other word! kind like the difference between junk and treasures! lol |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 11:54am
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,,, like I said,,,you something else,,,, But,,,BUT,,,they is a difference in the two words,,,,,,be'in thrifty is figurin out something that WILL work, instead of,,,and cheap is just not doin the repairs and parkin the equipment,,,,and so far I ain't had to park any of mine,,,
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 12:14pm
| Hey sometimes parking it isn't being cheap I got 3 of them parked tractors right now and as soon as I get the funds to fix them right they will be getting fixed... can't spend the money I don't got to make them right doesn't mean I am being cheap parking them till I can afford to fix them. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 1:45pm
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I agree Dan!! That makes us 'Frugal' and not cheap. Heck, I can't buy parts with money I don't have...... Bein FRUGAL is better than bein THRIFTY and a whole lots better than CHEAP..... Yer eye sore Joe?? I gots one of them sticks too! ROFLMAO! Ain't thet Shameless somethin!! He's behind ya one minute an then the next he's pokin ya in the eye agin... He'll step in it one of these days... (sharpenin my poker) ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 1:50pm
I like frugal let's go with that... 
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 7:35pm
| still sounds cheap to me! |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 7:40pm
You wound me Shameless. Just cause at the moment I am too poor to fix all three of my broken tractors so they sit waiting for me to earn enough to fix them you guys call me cheap. 
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 8:18pm
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re: Heck, I can't buy parts with money I don't have... really... take a page from the guv, they do it EVERYDAY !! I consider myself 'frugal', but 2nd D-14 to fix the first but get it running, do the same 2 more times....I'm STILL looking for parts for D-14 #1..... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 9:46pm
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NO,,NO,,,NO,,,!!!! Dan,,,I wouldn't dare be callin nobody cheap and I apologize if you felt I was POKIN at you or anybody else,,but I DO LIKE "Frugal" better than thrifty tho,,,,   OK,,,???
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 9:47pm
Ok 
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 9:50pm
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NOW,,,lets all gang up and go after thet guy with the big,,,er the guy what don't need no hearin aid,,,,
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2016 at 11:53pm
| awwwwww....Dan....you kin dry up them tears! shucks i'm the KING of CHEAP around here! just ask them POS stockholders! and you thinks yer the onlyest one that don't gots no money? PffffT! I gots things to fix here too, but they's gonna hafta wait til I gits sum money to fix them so I can sells them! how else do ya thinks I can spot a "cheap" person when I see's one? gotta be one to know one! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 2:45am
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Well....chit,,,I guess if you tell it that a way,Shameless,,,,,I been cheap all my life,,,cause if cheap is related to poor,,,,,,I'M IN,,,,!!!! shoot we was so poor,,,most of the time I couldn't even pay attention,,,now,,,,THAS CHEAP,,,,,
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2016 at 4:31am
| I wouldn't lie to ya! |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2016 at 2:35pm
| That must be why I like you guys so much, you make look like I am not the cheapest one around. |