HD11

Thought I'd start a new thread about our new-to-us dozer (http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=70998&title=new-to-me-hd11-how-to-operate)

So I've been reading through the manuals and have some questions about filters and fluids. The previous owner estimates they only put on 40-50 hours pushing some fencelines and have done very little maintenance on the machine. (I think he said they only bought it last year.) I think it would be wise to change all fluids and filters once I get it here since who knows when it was last done.

I'll put some notes here and please have a look and see if I need to change anything:

Cooling System:
Don't see a filter listed. Planning to drain as best as I can and re-fill with water, run the engine up to temp, then drain. Once cooled, refill with 50/50 antifreeze.

Eng Crankcase:
Manual lists SAE30. Is the standard 15w40 that we use on the farm OK here? Or should we go to 10W-30 diesel oil? (We keep both of these in stock.) Could also get single-grade sae30, but it's always nice not to have to stock another type/grade of oil!
Filter (A/C#: 4371021) crosses to Fleet Guard #: LF509N.

Fuel Filters:
A/C#: 065583 crosses to Fleet Guard FF109. Baldwin # PF906.
A/C#: 4347787 crosses to Fleet Guard FF106. Baldwin # PF916.
On Baldwin's website, both the PF906 and PF916 indicated they could be changed to a spin-on using filter head FB1302 and filter BF593, which crossed to Fleet Guard 3833200s for the base and FF5021 or FF5335 for the filter. Thoughts on changing to a spin-on?? Should the same filter be used on both? I would think the second stage should be a finer filter....

Air Cleaner:
Manual says to use the same oil as the engine.

Transmission, Final Drives, Track Release Housing:
Manual says Engine Oil SAE50. Would 15w40 work or should I look for a 15w50 or single grade sae50? We use 50 weight oil for class 8 truck transmissions, would this work?

Grease for Support Roller, Truck Wheel, Track Idler:
Manual says to check with my dealer.....hmmm....
Around the farm we use John Deere "Multi-Purpose SD Polyurea". Will this be OK? Or should we use something with "Moly"??

Any other filters or fluids that I missed?

Andrew


Edited by Andrew_D - 25 Aug 2013 at 1:23pm

That's why I want to know what to use. I figure 50 years in the oil game, things have changed! Sounds like 15w40 for the engine and universal hydraulic for everything else??

Wasn't aware of filters for the tanks. I'll have to check the parts book again!

Andrew

I use GL5 in final drives, 15w40 for engine, tractor trans-hydraulic oil for everything else.  I know a lot of guys run 15w40 in everything in older Cat machines and it works fine.  Really the main thing is that it has oil, and it's not so old as to be half water and out of lubricating quality.

80W90 is what I use, although I have used 85W140 in a leaky final drive.  I know what you are talking about with combine gear cases- corn head grease works good.

Found the serial number: HD11B-3880

Is there a list out there somewhere to narrow the year down?

Andrew

OK, so the first stage fuel filter listed above was 4347787. It crossed to Fleetguard # FF106. The first stage filter listed in my other books is 4055563 which also crosses to FF106. So far, so good!

Second stage was 065583. It crossed to Fleetguard #FF109. Second stage filter in the other books was 4056633. It also crosses to FF109.

So I definitely have the fuel filter numbers straightened out. Not sure why my S/N of 3880 has the 2 filter head when the parts book shows that for post S/N: 4415. Who knows, maybe there were problems with the filter head and it was upgraded. Or maybe the machine has had an engine replacement at some point. I'm still trying to find the engine serial number. It seems to have been buried in a generation of gunk!

Andrew

yep go along with 57 vintage.
you can use the same 50 oil in the finals as 'roadranger' gearboxs I run the chevron 454 series in all my finals cat and ac. Its actually abit thicker than the 90 gear oil if you look at whats called ISO oil charts. Although a lot of it boils down to preferences, and I in no way disagree with what trev prefers and he does own 11s.

You may want to check a few truck salvage yards, look for Peterbilt , White, Autocar or Kenworth units as they preferred large round dry element air cleaners usually mounted vertically. If you just want a air cleaner period look to Donaldson Filters for their specs charts and they may have a interchange unit Air Cleaner assembly. You may be better off to find another 11B and buy the filter assembly off of it. Chartrand Tractor Redbud IL ships parts, as does Zimmerman Tractor Versailles MO and General Gear Boise Idaho would be best choices for a OE Oil bath.

On this forum, on your side of the border; Gemdozer, gemdozer@hotmail.com

Hector has quite a collection of old Allis.

Edited by DMiller - 21 Jun 2013 at 6:42am

Some of the older Petes used smaller diameter filer housings, may be too long though and the inlet will be 6-8" diameter.

I would definitely give hector a try then general gear as they will be closest to you.

Andrew,

Andrew,

Those type of filters are only for automotive, marine, or industrial application, and will not be effective in the high dust earthmoving and agricultral environments. End result, a dusted, wrecked engine. 

Invest in panty-hose,  two precleaners to a pair!

I'd just go to an ag wrecking yard and find something that would fit on- pretty well every tractor and combine has had a dry element system with safety filter since the early 70's- you're bound to find something it will fit.  I know one guy was telling me he mounted the air cleaner from an old combine on his HD11.

Lazyts:

Trevor, sent you an email. re: HD11

Andrew