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Michael (WI) 
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 Topic: Agco=Your Massey Company
Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 10:40pm |
I saw this article in the Country Today and of course zero mentione of Gleaner, just bragging up Massey-Harris as the first self-propelled combine.
Of course it is a great thing they did by presenting Old Glory. It just makes you sick they forget their heritage so fast.
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Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 11:33pm |
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Well, since Mr Cobb is the MF product marketing guy, it does make sense that he would be talking up MF. Of course a mention of Gleaner and/or AC pull type combines (the biggest selling pull types made).
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 3:36am |
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They should seriously change the name of the company, but they think Agco, Your Agriculture Company is perfect, i told them what it really stands for, they got all bent out of shape
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:48am |
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What they really should call themselves is WELL BUY YOU OUT AND PAINT YOU RED AND CALL YOU A MASSY!!!!
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 6:14am |
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Drink a coffee,think of the good old day's and move on .
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 8:24am |
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Doug. Keep up the good work. Consider it a form of exercise.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 12:04pm |
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Leave AGCO alone, they are trying to run a company and make decisions that they think are best. Allis died in the mid "80"'s, they will not be back. If you want AGCO to do want you think is best then belly up to the bar, get your wallet out, buy up over 51% of the stock, and start making the calls. Untill then, all you're doing is stirring the pot with your misplaced loyalty. Thereby making AGCO unwilling to entertain any ideas having to do with Allis Chalmers equipment.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 12:49pm |
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I grew up with Allis and still have several Allis tractors but I also have 2 Massey tractors. Allis is gone and I have to proceed to make a living. That doesn't mean I like what AGCO did but that's life. I do like the features MF have and I know they originated with AC. Besides they're not green/yellow..... We'll just have to live with it.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 3:33pm |
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Some sure get all uptight when you criticize AGCO..........errr I mean Massey Ferguson............spit spit spit.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 3:34pm |
You guys that say move on,or they died in 1985.......Why are you still messing with Allis Chalmers. Why dont you move on and collect and restore a tractor line that is still making tractors ? Like it or not you cant make Agco go away,you have to go there to get parts for the Allis Chalmers tractors. They dictate the price we pay for parts. So as far as I am concerned bitch away !!!!!!!!!!!! IG
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 3:38pm |
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It's guys especially like ILGLEANER that have paid the price for AGCO's bumbling. The value of my own older machinery takes a beating when AGCO pushes itself out of the US market. Parts get higher priced and harder to find etc etc. I'm with ya IG, bitch away!
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 3:43pm |
Leave AGGO alone.....go buy New Holland, or Kubota or John Deere that's what I did. As much as I love Allis equipment I won't buy one because I don't want to have buy parts from AGCO who has lied to me personally.
It's impossible for any one person to buy 51% of AGCO at this time, (I looked into it back when they switched), but if enough guys don't by their bull then maybe they'll listen.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:10pm |
Many times I have seen the Deere followers Pay sometimes as much as double for there green stuff just becouse its Green and yellow.
And I have seen many people complain about the price of AGCO parts and when compaired to a similar Green/ yellow part they don't complain any more.
Everything in the real world is expensive. You need to shop and compair before you complain. I am sure that AGCO has people that look at there competitiveness and adjust accordingly. If you see prices that are out of line and you have something real to compair to you can buy the cheaper items and keep quiet or you can buy the cheaper item and tell AGCO why you bought it. or you can buy the AGCO part.
But don't complain about expensive parts unless you have compaired it with something else.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:14pm |
That fact that this broken record argument came up on this article is actually pretty funny. Have any of you read the article????? Its about the new MF combines. It only talks about MF combines and NOTHING else. They are promoting the new combines JUST like they did a couple years ago when they came out the Gleaner Super Series. Oh and the guy interviewed in the article put on a Gleaner product meeting the othe day that I attended. The end of the orange tractor line was a mistake but we havent seen the end of it and this is nothing new! Its been happening for the last 100 years! Look at what A-C did to Advance Rumely! If the numbers of farmers keeps declining like it does in another 100 years there will only be one or two brands left! As a dealer employee I am personally offended by these remarks, especially when I make that extra effort to try to find people the parts and give them the service support for the older items. Jim
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:20pm |
The problem with that Dave, If Agco would just drop AC parts altogether. Then maybe we could get some sideline company to make more of the AC part at competetive prices. I just got 2 bolts at my AGCO dealer yesterday for the steering cylinder on a 220. 42.00 a piece. They are a 3 inch bolt fine threaded,with a castle nut....thats stupid. From a company that has taken away Orange tractors. And I have bought alot of green and yellow parts, there is no way they are higher then Agco. Quart of Persion orange at Agco. 80 bucks. IG
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:23pm |
Jim, dont take it personal. But you are they guys that have no choice. I can go buy some other color. You guys are stuck with the counterfeits. IG
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:29pm |
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I am glad that AGCO is still there supplying Allis Chalmers parts, otherwise there would be a lot of parts not available because no one would make them.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 5:56pm |
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Its unfortunate that AC had to die in the matter that it did and it would have been nice for them too ended up like lets say IH and still live on although there just basically a decal but still it would have been nice to see AC have some sort of existence. Although we still do have gleaner Lol.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 6:48pm |
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 7:27pm |
 ILGLEANER wrote:
You guys that say move on,or they died in 1985.......Why are you still messing with Allis Chalmers. Why dont you move on and collect and restore a tractor line that is still making tractors ? Like it or not you cant make Agco go away,you have to go there to get parts for the Allis Chalmers tractors. They dictate the price we pay for parts. So as far as I am concerned bitch away !!!!!!!!!!!!
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I still mess around with Allis-Chalmers equipment because it's well built & easy to work on (which has nothing to do with AGCO). Not sure how to answer your 2nd question because I don't "collect and restore", I buy and use (which has nothing to do with AGCO). I'm glad that AGCO is here to supply parts for all of my Allis-Chalmers equipment because if they close the doors we are all in trouble (this has everything to do with AGCO). Agco has to dictate the price just like every company. My company has seen many AGCO prints to be quoted, but we never get the jobs because we're too high. They're trying to keep the prices down. 10" disc assy from Deere $138.46, AGCO $63.82.
A grass stick for the mower $4.65 which is a nice, low price. I don't complain about AGCO, I don't like to pay high prices but I do need the parts and where ever you go you're going to pay. So if you want AGCO to resent the old Allis-Chalmers name and equipment just keep on complaining and they may stop suppling Allis parts all together.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 7:35pm |
JohnCO wrote:
Well, since Mr Cobb is the MF product marketing guy, it does make sense that he would be talking up MF. Of course a mention of Gleaner and/or AC pull type combines (the biggest selling pull types made).
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Im almost certain there are no pull type combines being made any more?
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 7:47pm |
Guys I can see both sides of this story, you guys say just order them online, support one of the vendors etc which is fine and I have done it before. But sometimes I like going to agco they have the correct filters even with the ac logo, we have a couple good parts guys that try their best to get you the parts, if the parts are too much I look some place else. If you order a part and its wrong they send it back. Ordering online you have to deal with all the shipping BS twice if the part is wrong. I know we have never owned a newer agco product so I cant speak about that. This whole deal with agco is kind of like the old saying "when life gives you lemons make lemonade". Maybe some guy can make a new business reproducing old ac parts.
all in all I hope agco doesn't stop making parts for my tractors that are 50-60 years old because no one is making them keep making parts.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 8:34pm |
I see it both ways. And I also like driving 50 miles to my local Agco dealer. All other colors are 5 miles away. But you cant say they died,or move on . And say Agco has nothing to do with Allis Chalmers. If they died,there wouldnt be any parts to buy. And if you say move on,you wouldnt be going to the AGCO dealer to get Allis Chalmers parts. That is all I am saying, there roots come from Allis Chalmers. They are ALLIS GLEANER COMPANY. IG
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 8:59pm |
Im almost certain there are no pull type combines being made any more?
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ACWD45, you'd be wrong! Head up to Canada in September and watch the Canola harvest as Four wheel drive tractors pull BIG IH and Deere pull type combines around the field picking up windrows made with 30 and 40 foot windrowers. Been there, seen that. It was interesting. That was in 2000.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 9:40pm |
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Well I hate to add to the fire, but a rumor I had heard from somebody else recently is that there is supposed to be orange tractors produced again with the A-C name on them from AGCO in the future. I think it would be awesome, but I highly doubt its the truth, although the person that told me said he read it somewhere just recently. I don't know what to think of it.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2012 at 10:08pm |
You should ask him where he read that...Im curious.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 12:09am |
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Well I can beat a dead horse with the best of you. Lets see, a combine designed by White, produced by the Allis Gleaner Company and called a Massey... and even though Massey quit building combines in the 1980s the "history" dates back to the Canadian company Massey HARRIS and it's all wrapped up in an American flag to boot. But don't pick on them, yes it's all BS but it ain't easy to move those things when your competition has better designs, better resale and more dealers so they're just trying to sell them any way they can.
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